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    watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    don't mean this to be anything but an observation that he's still a very solid coach. his team last night played tough as nails, solid defense, and just like i remember yours when he was in ames. so, wth was he let go?




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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by surly View Post
    don't mean this to be anything but an observation that he's a very solid coach. his team last night played tough as nails, solid defense and just like i remember yours when he was in ames. wth was he let go?
    Big XII > Conference USA



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    I think we had ran out of his commemorative coins, and it was time to print new ones. It then so happened that Eugene Chizik became a "commodity" in the CFB world. When you can go 5-19 in 2 years, how can you pass that up?



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by surly View Post
    don't mean this to be anything but an observation that he's still a very solid coach. his team last night played tough as nails, solid defense, and just like i remember yours when he was in ames. so, wth was he let go?

    This topic will end well.

    His last 4 seasons included 2 debacles, and 2 seasons where the north title was ours for the taking but we ****** it away. Fans were bailing.

    Chizik sucked, but he sold a LOT of season tickets. It got the train rolling (and rhoads continued it) on people buying season tickets that has continued to today's sellout season tickets. That doesnt happen if mccarney stays after the 2006 disaster.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    I'm not so sure that CPR will win 4 more games the rest of this year and next. I can actually see a coach getting a pass going 5-19 in year 1 and 2 but not years 5 and 6.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Dan is a great coach and helped elevate ISU football a great deal. I will always thank him for that.

    However he had momentum going in to a 3 year span when the Big XII North was VERY soft and winnable and he could not capitalize. Epic fail IMHO.

    Yes, CPR is having a tough season but he has elevated recruiting, excitement, and until recently the level of play. Dan had 12 years to win games like TX on the road and #2 Okie St at home and could never seem to do it.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    This topic will end well.

    His last 4 seasons included 2 debacles, and 2 seasons where the north title was ours for the taking but we ****** it away. Fans were bailing.

    Chizik sucked, but he sold a LOT of season tickets. It got the train rolling (and rhoads continued it) on people buying season tickets that has continued to today's sellout season tickets. That doesnt happen if mccarney stays after the 2006 disaster.
    I probably agree, this coming from someone who wasn't exactly sold at the time on making the change.

    Change was probably necessary, things had gone stale, and a switch provides a jolt. It didn't exactly come off smoothly with the Chizik debacle, but it has smoothed over since.

    That said, there are plenty on this board that seem to run down McCarney for his failures and frankly portray him as a failure, when in reality he basically saved the program.

    If he had been fired before turning things around, that probably would have sealed the deal on ISU football.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    nice thread. Should end well.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    well, i understand the feelings here, i guess. but man, he's so bill snyderesque. and his teams play so hard and seem so well schooled. first, i'd watched him since isu days and was taken with how well they played. they may win the league and certainly will go bowling.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Dan was a good coach and was good in Ames, but I think he had gotten the program as far as he could. He had a couple chances at Big 12 north titles he never took advantage of and I do think it was the right decision to let go of him. Chizik however was the wrong hire. I still have faith Rhoads can get Iowa State consistently to a level that McCarney never could, but obviously we'll still have to wait and see.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by surly View Post
    don't mean this to be anything but an observation that he's still a very solid coach. his team last night played tough as nails, solid defense, and just like i remember yours when he was in ames. so, wth was he let go?

    Why do you care? And why don't you troll somewhere else.


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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by surly View Post
    well, i understand the feelings here, i guess. but man, he's so bill snyderesque. and his teams play so hard and seem so well schooled. first, i'd watched him since isu days and was taken with how well they played. they may win the league and certainly will go bowling.
    Nice troll

    There is NO way you watched all of these Dan the man teams and made that statement.

    You don't finish last in the confernce 6 times in 12 years, including years 9 and 12, if that were truly the case.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    i'm not trolling. i was making an observation(s) about a coach i admire and who used to drive us nuts. i'll leave it at that.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    It's simple, JP said it himself (listen people). The fanbase had lost hope. It became clear to every fan we werent going any further with him.



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    Re: watched most of dan's ntsu game last night ...

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    Dan is a great coach and helped elevate ISU football a great deal. I will always thank him for that.

    However he had momentum going in to a 3 year span when the Big XII North was VERY soft and winnable and he could not capitalize. Epic fail IMHO.

    Yes, CPR is having a tough season but he has elevated recruiting, excitement, and until recently the level of play. Dan had 12 years to win games like TX on the road and #2 Okie St at home and could never seem to do it.
    CPR hasn't really elevated recruiting. Danny Mac had some pretty good recruiting classes for ISU. It was the right move to move on from Mac though.



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