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    White, Johnson, Nealy

    In our last game, # of carries:

    Johnson = 12
    Nealy = 7
    White = 4

    I know Wimberly was injured. I had presumed White was the #2 back after Wimberly but apparently the coaches think otherwise.

    SJ is a good soldier but I just don't see him as a good fit currently. He dances around a lot, which only fits when you have a good O-line*. I think White and Nealy can make the "one cut" better (ie, be happy to get 4 yards of easy ground instead of trying to spring for 20 on each play).

    How do you guys see it?

    [Edit: I did think SJ was better in this game than any other this season.]



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    I'm surprised by White's lack of carries, especially since Nealy has been getting so many lately. What's really apparent the past few games while Wimberly has been hurt is how much noticibly slower SJ, and DN are compared to Wimberly. Just makes you appreciate how much of a burner Wimberly is.


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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by khardbored View Post
    In our last game, # of carries:

    Johnson = 12
    Nealy = 7
    White = 4

    I know Wimberly was injured. I had presumed White was the #2 back after Wimberly but apparently the coaches think otherwise.

    SJ is a good soldier but I just don't see him as a good fit currently. He dances around a lot, which only fits when you have a good O-line*. I think White and Nealy can make the "one cut" better (ie, be happy to get 4 yards of easy ground instead of trying to spring for 20 on each play).

    How do you guys see it?

    [Edit: I did think SJ was better in this game than any other this season.]
    Thanks for the analysis. I am glad to see that based on NOT watching a weeks worth of practice you know better than the coaches who should be playing.



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Really thought White would be our top back going into this season, especially with the pistol heavy offense. Shontrelle is good, but he's a guy who needs to get out in space, not run it up the gut. Nealy has a bright future, but like Shontrelle belongs more out in space. Honestly think Standard and Woody could be more effective running up the middle than Shontrelle is.



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Thanks for the analysis. I am glad to see that based on NOT watching a weeks worth of practice you know better than the coaches who should be playing.
    In fairness I have watch Woody for years and don't understand why he is not getting more carries.



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    I didn't think that Shontrelle was "dancing around a lot" last game, he just hit the hole.

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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    I thought SJ looked decent Saturday. Sadly, it doesn't really matter who's in there.



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    I know there's a love affair with Wimberly and what I am about to say is blasphemes but I don't think it matters who the back is. Nealy, Johnson and Wimberly all get yards when they can. Yeah, Shontrelle misses some yards due to horizontal movement at times but he also picks up some yard Wimberly cannot. I just don't think there's an appreciable difference between the three backs and think Wimberly's success has more to do with circumstance than him. Statistically, his season is bolstered by a huge Tulsa game. Even in the Texas game he averaged only 4 yards/carry which is not great. No one else has been given more than 12 carries in a game so they really haven't had the opportunities that Wimberly has.


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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    I know there's a love affair with Wimberly and what I am about to say is blasphemes but I don't think it matters who the back is. Nealy, Johnson and Wimberly all get yards when they can. Yeah, Shontrelle misses some yards due to horizontal movement at times but he also picks up some yard Wimberly cannot. I just don't think there's an appreciable difference between the three backs and think Wimberly's success has more to do with circumstance than him. Statistically, his season is bolstered by a huge Tulsa game. Even in the Texas game he averaged only 4 yards/carry which is not great. No one else has been given more than 12 carries in a game so they really haven't had the opportunities that Wimberly has.
    Watching the games I have to disagree. Wimberly is the best back. Hits the hole, carries tacklers, and is able to turn the corner on sweeps.

    IMHO Nealy is probably a distant second and White/Johnson 3/4. I have to agree with the OP that in the last game Shontrelle seemed to be more effective hitting the hole for the available gain instead of hesitating and being tackled for no gain or a loss.


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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Watching the games I have to disagree. Wimberly is the best back. Hits the hole, carries tacklers, and is able to turn the corner on sweeps.

    IMHO Nealy is probably a distant second and White/Johnson 3/4. I have to agree with the OP that in the last game Shontrelle seemed to be more effective hitting the hole for the available gain instead of hesitating and being tackled for not gain or a loss.
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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by MeanDean View Post
    Watching the games I have to disagree. Wimberly is the best back. Hits the hole, carries tacklers, and is able to turn the corner on sweeps.

    IMHO Nealy is probably a distant second and White/Johnson 3/4. I have to agree with the OP that in the last game Shontrelle seemed to be more effective hitting the hole for the available gain instead of hesitating and being tackled for no gain or a loss.
    Shontrelle picked up yards in that game that Wimberly wouldn't have. Wimberly does the same thing in different ways. You remove the Tulsa game (the worst defense we have faced) and he isn't averaging 4 yards/carry. You give Shontrelle or Nealy 19 and 29! carries against Tulsa and Texas and they will get about the same thing Wimberly did. Like I said, he does some things the others can't but the others do some things WImberly can't. Specifically, they are built to carry the ball 15-20 times a game and Wimberly isn't.


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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Shontrelle picked up yards in that game that Wimberly wouldn't have. Wimberly does the same thing in different ways. You remove the Tulsa game (the worst defense we have faced) and he isn't averaging 4 yards/carry. You give Shontrelle or Nealy 19 and 29! carries against Tulsa and Texas and they will get about the same thing Wimberly did. Like I said, he does some things the others can't but the others do some things WImberly can't. Specifically, they are built to carry the ball 15-20 times a game and Wimberly isn't.
    We'll have to agree to disagree. Even the carries he had in the UNI Game set him apart from the rest in my eyes.


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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    Wimberly is the top back, and his decrease in numbers from the Tulsa/Texas games to the OSU/Baylor games can easily be explained away by #1, ISU getting absolutely shelled, and #2 He got hurt.

    I tend to agree that it doesn't matter who the RB is. Adrian Peterson would struggle to average 4 ypc behind this O-Line. But I think given a solid O-Line and the bulk of the carries, any one of them (aside from Woody) could make the All Big 12 2nd team. Seastrunk is your 1st teamer.



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    Re: White, Johnson, Nealy

    When you are down by 100 and throwing the ball so much, its hard to not have your better blocking back in.. which SJ is.



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