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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    His first hand picked QB couldn't win the starting job at Illinois State. His teams were averaging about the same PPG as the current squad as well. What are we whining about? Let me know when we get a good offensive coordinator and he leaves, and then we can whine. Herman barely mustered enough points to beat Iowa.
    Yes because if he could chose ANYONE to come to ISU he would have chosen Barnett. He took Barnett because at the time he was the best candidate that would come to ISU at the time. He also brought in Sam Richardson his last year, who was good enough to beat out JB, so that should count for something.

    I'm not saying Herman was an awesome OC, but he wasn't terrible either. I have a feeling he was pretty frustrated with some of the talent he had to work with and I guarantee he is VERY happy with where he's at right now.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by benjay View Post
    "fire herman" was a common theme at the time, or are you forgetting?

    although at least he didn't blame the players for not making enough "sportscenter plays".
    How I have to wonder what Mess will say now that Nealy was on sportscenter. What's the next excuse?

    Also, I believe the common thought was that Herman's contract was just not renewed by JP and he was available to Meyer. Meyer may have seen someone with a ton of potential who he could mentor under his wing to become a very good OC. All we know is he was good at Rice and has been good at OSU but wasn't that great here.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    Contrary to popular misconception, our offense has actually been better under Messingham - although not by much. Herman - 21.6 ppg, 357 yds/gm. Messingham 24.9 ppg, 360 yds/gm.
    I understand this but in reality Mess has better athletes that were actually recruited for this system. Herman dealt mostly with Mac and Chizik recruits that were not recruited for the current system. No way is this an endorsement for Mess though.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    What area of the country was Tom Herman's area to focus on for recruiting when he was at ISU? Texas? The Southeast?

    In the 2014 recruiting class for Ohio State... Tom Herman is the lead recruiter currently for 30 prospects. 10 are from Texas and 7 more recruits are from either Louisiana, Georgia, or Florida. In looking at the other staff members and their recruiting targets it looks like Herman is "the" guy when it comes to recruiting in Texas and the Southeast. Maybe... just maybe... Urban Meyer was looking for a guy that he could bring on staff that had recruiting ties in those areas? If we are being realistic here... Herman is the Co-offensive coordinator and Meyer calls a lot of the plays anyway so bringing a guy like Herman in for his recruiting connections is big. It isn't like Herman was an ace recruiter for ISU but then again... selling Ohio State is much easier then selling Iowa State.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    Yes because if he could chose ANYONE to come to ISU he would have chosen Barnett. He took Barnett because at the time he was the best candidate that would come to ISU at the time. He also brought in Sam Richardson his last year, who was good enough to beat out JB, so that should count for something.

    I'm not saying Herman was an awesome OC, but he wasn't terrible either. I have a feeling he was pretty frustrated with some of the talent he had to work with and I guarantee he is VERY happy with where he's at right now.
    If he was the best ISU could get, but couldn't start on a middling FCS team, we might as well drop football. There is no reason ISU shouldn't have a better QB than UNI division schools.

    Call me crazy if I think ISU should have been able to recruit better.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by SCarolinaCy View Post
    Who was responsible........... for pushing Tom Herman out? Anyone big enuf to admit to it?


    Big Mistake.

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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    Contrary to popular misconception, our offense has actually been better under Messingham - although not by much. Herman - 21.6 ppg, 357 yds/gm. Messingham 24.9 ppg, 360 yds/gm.
    Mess has about 5 times the talent.


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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by SCarolinaCy View Post
    Who was responsible........... for pushing Tom Herman out? Anyone big enuf to admit to it?


    Big Mistake.
    It was me. I pushed Herman out.

    I feel bad about it too. Guy just hasn't been able to land on his feet since I pushed him out the door. Heard he had to settle at some place called Ohio State (never heard of them) and makes something like $450K a year.


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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    I think Herman probably just left for more money and a better opportunity to move up in the coaching tree.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Mess has about 5 times the talent.
    The sad truth. 5 times the talent and minimal improvement in results.



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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    I think Herman probably just left for more money and a better opportunity to move up in the coaching tree.
    Who is leaving Iowa State for Ohio State and 150K more in cash?

    It's obvious someone pushed him out the door.


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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    I've been keeping this close to the vest for far too long. I did it.
    I sent JP a bag full of flaming tickets and my demands. JP knew what to do and made it happen.

    I've got real problems with you posers trying to take credit for my work, and plenty of tickets to burn.


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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonin View Post
    All I am going to say is I'm sorry. One Way. Forward.
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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    I think Herman probably just left for more money and a better opportunity to move up in the coaching tree.
    Herman may want to be a head coach and then really make the big bucks.


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    Re: Who was responsible..........

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    If he was the best ISU could get, but couldn't start on a middling FCS team, we might as well drop football. There is no reason ISU shouldn't have a better QB than UNI division schools.

    Call me crazy if I think ISU should have been able to recruit better.
    Oh my gosh, someone missed on a recruit, drop football immediately!

    JB had talent. Enough to beat multiple ranked opponents. Just not consistent enough to win regularly.



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