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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    You could point out the port-a-potties.
    I really didnt know how to answer, he said it was as nice of a facility that he had seen, but it was apparent it wasnt being used properly.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    I really didnt know how to answer, he said it was as nice of a facility that he had seen, but it was apparent it wasnt being used properly.
    So he insinuated our players were weinies? Yet we are running faster this year due to the treadmills.


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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    I really didnt know how to answer, he said it was as nice of a facility that he had seen, but it was apparent it wasnt being used properly.

    I guess we could ask for his resume and qualifications, but that would sound odd at the game.


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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    I would evaluate a S&C coach based how how tough physically the players are. We have been abused up front by guys half our players weight, telling me pound for pound even UNI has stronger men, physically, up front.
    There is such a thing as tough and then there is aggressive or mentally tough. Unfortunately it's hard to teach some kids to be aggressive, some either have it or they don't. It's easy for a kid to dominate in high school because he's a mammoth compared to the other kids on the field. When they get to college they are all going to be your size or bigger.

    So now it comes down to technique and who wants it more. I'm not sure how much has changed when Coach K came in, but there could be some different techniques or calls that might be affecting our play. Plus, the injuries and we are what we are.

    If it was me I would have put the Godfather of the pistol at OC and had him calling the plays.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    So he insinuated our players were weinies? Yet we are running faster this year due to the treadmills.
    I guess. He said it had been awhile since he saw Oklahoma State manhadle people up front like that and create such huge holes, thats where the conversation began.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    I guess. He said it had been awhile since he saw Oklahoma State manhadle people up front like that and create such huge holes, thats where the conversation began.
    We have made a lot of olines look good this year. It must be us.


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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Physicality is as much coaching as training.
    Your point is correct. But you see too many of these young guys out there thinking. They are not reacting. That leads to tentative football, and more importantly, weak football.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    My sense tells me it's a symptom of youth and inexperience. We've got a bunch of players who are playing a lot of snaps a year earlier than they would otherwise. In the trenches that makes a big difference. Not much can replace time in the weightroom and at the training table, and reps learning how to play a position. Which is why our handling of guys like Irving and Morrissey are such a kluge. No redshirts for either of them - what a fustercluck. Morrissey was a 19-year old junior for crying out loud. Same with Irving I think, at the start of the year. Coe doesn't get a redshirt to learn what he's doing because we've not nobody.

    Injuries, like on the OL, happen and no one can predict it. Mostly it looks like a team relying too heavily on young/inexperienced guys in the trenches.


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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclophile1 View Post
    My sense tells me it's a symptom of youth. We've got a bunch of players who are playing a lot of snaps a year earlier than they would otherwise. In the trenches that makes a big difference. Not much can replace time in the weightroom and at the training table, and reps learning how to play a position. Which is why our handling of guys like Irving and Morrissey are such a kluge. No redshirts for either of them - what a fustercluck. Morrissey was a 19-year old junior for crying out loud. Same with Irving I think, at the start of the year. Coe doesn't get a redshirt to learn what he's doing because we've not nobody.

    Injuries, like on the OL, happen and no one can predict it. Mostly it looks like a team relying too heavily on young/inexperienced guys in the trenches.
    Then you are saying bad recruiting is the probable answer to our current pickle of a problem, with classes being ranked lower by Rivals and people leaving the program? Do we have good recruiters outside of CPR?


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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonin View Post
    Yea, but it pales in comparison to the bigger schools.
    No it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Worst part is we are about to see what just how bad the S&C program is on Saturday. If they run for 400-500 yards on us, there should leave little doubt how good Yancy is, even though everyone can seemingly point the finger at him already due to the Iowa game, UNI game, so on and so on.
    I don't think teaching gap control is the job of the S&C coach.

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    The number of MCL issues we seem to have is fairly indicative that our leg workouts aren't building up the muscles in the upper and lower leg together properly so that knee ligaments aren't destroyed.
    Wrong, plain and simple. If you were talking about 15 year old girls playing soccer then you are right. A good amount of strengthening and work on lower extremity mechanics can prevent a lot of injuries. But football is a contact sport, it's nearly impossible to eliminate contact knee injuries unless you start playing with flags.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    Olinemen that have been in Yancy's program their entire college career getting destroyed by UNI's Dline. Furthest thing from the problem? Sure, right, whatever.
    yea its the strength coaches fault they sign 6-4 235lb OL and they are expected to be able to block 300lb first roundrs in 10 months. Totally his fault



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by d4nim4l View Post
    The offensive line is worked too much to put on good weight, and I don't care how tall you are but you aren't going to get push at 280 or 290 pounds.
    ISU has O-line players that just aren't physically imposing compared to the O-line players that other Big XII programs have. The other Big XII programs typically have guys on the line that are bigger, faster, stronger, more athletic, and definitely more physically imposing then what ISU has. The results show that.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Regarding injuries: now would be a good time to remind people that correlation and causation are two separate concepts. In other words, correlation does not imply causation.

    I'm fine with YM based on what he has done so far. How quickly people forget what this team looked like when Chiz was here...



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Farniok, Tuftee Lictenberg, Loth, Gannon, Burton, Dagel, Lalk, and Omoile average 6'-5 1/2" and 299 lbs. How big do they have to get before they are Big12 size.



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    Re: Are we far enough along to evaluate Yancy McKnight?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    Farniok, Tuftee Lictenberg, Loth, Gannon, Burton, Dagel, Lalk, and Omoile average 6'-5 1/2" and 299 lbs. How big do they have to get before they are Big12 size.
    A typical ISU lineman


    A typical lineman from other Big XII schools




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