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    Re: Perspective

    When I saw the thread title this came to mind.



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    CPR has done things Walden could never do though. Thats a definite difference. Beating a ranked team on the road every year (that streak will likely end this year), winning in Lincoln, winning in Austin, beating the #2 team, winning a bowl game. Etc.

    I completely agree about Courtney though.
    Those are pretty important pieces of context. Really, that's why this year is so frustrating. We're used to seeing hopeful things instead of this.

    Now, if he goes and gets an OC that's just tearing things up, I think that changes more opinions than not.


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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    CPR has done things Walden could never do though. Thats a definite difference. Beating a ranked team on the road every year (that streak will likely end this year), winning in Lincoln, winning in Austin, beating the #2 team, winning a bowl game. Etc.

    I completely agree about Courtney though.
    Like this thread said, its all about perspective.....Beating Nebraska was an accomplishment, but the Nebraska teams that the Walden teams did were the class of the Big 8 compared to where Nebraska is now as a program...They also didnt have to worry about winning in Austin, as they never played Texas from 1979-1998.....



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Jim Walden 1 winning season in 8 years.- sucked to attend Iowa State at this time for football - thank God we still had Johnny

    Dan McCarney 5 winning seasons out of 11, a few high years and notables such as a Heismen nominee

    Chizik - enough said

    CPR - 3 bowl berths in five seasons, some major upsets....

    This year is hard to swallow, but give the man a break. This team is very young, has a lot of injury issues, was screwed out of a game, and there is some high talent on the way.
    Ok, I'm with you on the major upsets.
    But when you list how many winning seasons each coach has had and then don't mention CPRs # you are twisting things to make yourself feel better.

    So drum roll please.........
    CPR # of winning seasons 1 in 5 years.

    It is what it is



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    Ok, I'm with you on the major upsets.
    But when you list how many winning seasons each coach has had and then don't mention CPRs # you are twisting things to make yourself feel better.

    So drum roll please.........
    CPR # of winning seasons 1 in 5 years.

    It is what it is
    Your right, two 6-6 seasons that ended with a bowl game loss are losing seasons, technically. To me, 6-6 in the Big 12 with a bowl game is a good accomplishment for ISU.

    But, if anyone thinks that what we have experienced under Rhoads is anything like Walden, they should look at Walden's record.

    3/5 years - bowl game

    8 years - no bowl game

    Walden's record
    1987 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 6th
    1988 Iowa State 5–6 3–4 5th
    1989 Iowa State 6–5 4–3 4th
    1990 Iowa State 4–6–1 2–4–1 T–4th
    1991 Iowa State 3–7–1 1–5–1 6th
    1992 Iowa State 4–7 2–5 T–6th
    1993 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 T–6th
    1994 Iowa State 0–10–1 0–6–1 T–7th



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Your right, two 6-6 seasons that ended with a bowl game loss are losing seasons, technically. To me, 6-6 in the Big 12 with a bowl game is a good accomplishment for ISU.

    But, if anyone thinks that what we have experienced under Rhoads is anything like Walden, they should look at Walden's record.

    3/5 years - bowl game

    8 years - no bowl game

    Walden's record
    1987 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 6th
    1988 Iowa State 5–6 3–4 5th
    1989 Iowa State 6–5 4–3 4th
    1990 Iowa State 4–6–1 2–4–1 T–4th
    1991 Iowa State 3–7–1 1–5–1 6th
    1992 Iowa State 4–7 2–5 T–6th
    1993 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 T–6th
    1994 Iowa State 0–10–1 0–6–1 T–7th

    Comparing one terrible era to the currently time period does not alleviate what is occurring.

    Terrible coaching and underachieving with 1 winning season. It is what it is. CPR is lucky he is coaching at ISU. Heads would be rolling anywhere else. I hope he does succeed next year.


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    Re: Perspective

    We may not even win our three B12 games for the year.


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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    CPR has done things Walden could never do though. Thats a definite difference. Beating a ranked team on the road every year (that streak will likely end this year), winning in Lincoln, winning in Austin, beating the #2 team, winning a bowl game. Etc.

    I completely agree about Courtney though.
    Having Nebraska completely hand us a game in Lincoln - we did not "win" that game
    Beating one of the worst Texas teams they have ever had (no bowl)
    Beating OSU - Fantastic! Walden once beat a great Nebraska team at home too.
    Ugly, ugly bowl win against a terrible Minnesota team that stated that they did not want to be there two years in a row.



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG View Post
    Having Nebraska completely hand us a game in Lincoln - we did not "win" that game
    Beating one of the worst Texas teams they have ever had (no bowl)
    Beating OSU - Fantastic! Walden once beat a great Nebraska team at home too.
    Ugly, ugly bowl win against a terrible Minnesota team that stated that they did not want to be there two years in a row.
    Can't disagree with this. Don't forget about beating Tech when they were #19 and went on to lose the rest of their games.



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Your right, two 6-6 seasons that ended with a bowl game loss are losing seasons, technically. To me, 6-6 in the Big 12 with a bowl game is a good accomplishment for ISU.

    But, if anyone thinks that what we have experienced under Rhoads is anything like Walden, they should look at Walden's record.

    3/5 years - bowl game

    8 years - no bowl game

    Walden's record
    1987 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 6th
    1988 Iowa State 5–6 3–4 5th
    1989 Iowa State 6–5 4–3 4th
    1990 Iowa State 4–6–1 2–4–1 T–4th
    1991 Iowa State 3–7–1 1–5–1 6th
    1992 Iowa State 4–7 2–5 T–6th
    1993 Iowa State 3–8 2–5 T–6th
    1994 Iowa State 0–10–1 0–6–1 T–7th
    It's worth pointing out that Walden's 6-5 team in 1989 would have qualified for a bowl if it played in 2013. Not that it makes any difference.



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG View Post
    Having Nebraska completely hand us a game in Lincoln - we did not "win" that game
    Beating one of the worst Texas teams they have ever had (no bowl)
    Beating OSU - Fantastic! Walden once beat a great Nebraska team at home too.
    Ugly, ugly bowl win against a terrible Minnesota team that stated that they did not want to be there two years in a row.
    I don't understand why some posters are b******* about some of the close wins that CPR has had in the past 5 years? Would it have made you happier if we just lost those games? Every game that you have mentioned, besides maybe MIN, the other team had more pure talent than the Cyclone team it played and we either out coached, out hustled, or were more disciplined than the team it played. If you want to go back to the years we had no shot in half our games, be my guest.


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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG View Post
    Having Nebraska completely hand us a game in Lincoln - we did not "win" that game
    Beating one of the worst Texas teams they have ever had (no bowl)
    Beating OSU - Fantastic! Walden once beat a great Nebraska team at home too.
    Ugly, ugly bowl win against a terrible Minnesota team that stated that they did not want to be there two years in a row.
    Shame on our staff for capitalizing on opportunity.

    I believe CPR has the highest winning percentage at Iowa State since Earl Bruce. I'll give him the opportunity to build it up again before I jump ship.


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    Re: Perspective

    I love Paul Rhoads, no question about it, and am prepared to give him a break. I think the concern for me is, can a program that had some momentum going recover from a 1 or 2-win season? Is this a bump in the road or has the job become another complete rebuilding effort that CPR can't recover from? I hope it is a bump in the road, but only time will tell.


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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    I love Paul Rhoads, no question about it, and am prepared to give him a break. I think the concern for me is, can a program that had some momentum going recover from a 1-win season? Is this a bump in the road or has the job become another complete rebuilding effort that CPR can't recover from? I hope it is a bump in the road, but only time will tell.
    What is with this fanbase? We still have five games left. Can you at least let them play the games before you conclude what the record will be?



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    Re: Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Rhoads and Walden are basically the same. One has a 0.33523 win percentage and the other has 0.47059. Pretty much the same.
    Rhoads and Walden are about as far from the same as you could get. This year sucks but lets not pretend our football program is anywhere near the Walden era. People can be upset and that's fine because Rhoads has actually accomplished something at Iowa State and it's raised the bar in fans' eyes. Iowa State is a work in progress. It always has been. There is more talent on the field. There are more fans interested. We were a joke in Walden's time with no chance of not being a joke. I was there. This is not the same thing.



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