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    The struggling offense

    I'm not meaning to pile on here but I was taking a closer look on what exactly is going wrong with the Cyclone offense and kind of came to a realization. If you're interested in looking at things more in depth I'd encourage you to check this out. If not, then by all means pass on this.

    Anyway, the realization isn't entirely new but it is essentially the importance of 2nd down and even though ISU is pretty bad on 1st and 3rd down, maybe the struggles on 2nd down are the most notable culprit.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    My takeaways:

    Offensively, we are not good on first, second or third down.
    Our running plays or passing plays on first down have a good chance at zero yards.
    We are two yards and a cloud of dust in the making.
    We should have a ton of plays lined up to call for second and long and third and long.
    Our second down may be no better than our first down.
    Since third down is usually long, the mandatory blitz will be coming.
    What a mess.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    In other words, our offensive line is injured every down, not just one? There's a shock!




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    Re: The struggling offense

    Can you segment the averages into quartiles? It would be interesting (i.e., depressing) to see which segment we best align with.



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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by IAmNotTheMayor View Post
    Can you segment the averages into quartiles? It would be interesting (i.e., depressing) to see which segment we best align with.
    So it looks like we are 80-120th in everything. We excel at nothing. This year we even have lots of penalties and few interceptions. One might make a case that just when Cole Netten is revved up to successfully kick we cannot move the ball downfield enough.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    Jarvis West on the returns is our only offense, so I have to disagree with your entire analysis. sorry.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    In other words, our offensive line is injured every down, not just one? There's a shock!
    They were really tearing up UNI....

    Have you ever thought that our injury problem could be a developmental issue? The strength program is supposed to mitigate these problems.

    The offense wasn't any good with NFL guys on the line either.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    The offense needs to be more creative AND execute better. If 90% of the fanbase knows what play is coming next, then you better believe the opposing D knows what the play will be.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    My takeaways:

    Offensively, we are not good on first, second or third down.
    What a mess.
    Kirby stops by to point out that we f'ing ROCK on 4th down....





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    Re: The struggling offense

    It amazes me that we have 3 coaches on our staff with offensive coordinator experience and our output is so anemic. I was really excited about the Klenakis hire. I realize there has bee a lot of injuries to our O Line but they look totally lost at times.



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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    It amazes me that we have 3 coaches on our staff with offensive coordinator experience and our output is so anemic. I was really excited about the Klenakis hire. I realize there has bee a lot of injuries to our O Line but they look totally lost at times.
    I agree that they look lost out there. I think it is due to almost all the O-lineman having to play multiple positions (due to injuries) in a new scheme and compounded by the fact that some of them are really young. It is understandable that there is some second guessing going on and miscommunication.


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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Daserop View Post
    I agree that they look lost out there. I think it is due to almost all the O-lineman having to play multiple positions (due to injuries) in a new scheme and compounded by the fact that some of them are really young. It is understandable that there is some second guessing going on and miscommunication.
    It's a new system for all of them, so some degree of execution was going to be sacrificed to learning. I'm hoping that this pays dividends next year for these young guys to be getting a lot of learning done, because it's a big investment in today's success. I don't think I've seen this level of injuries to an OL in 35+ years as a fan. I hope I never see it again for a lot of reasons, not the last of which is the long term health of these young guys. As a guy with an ACL rupture from the early 80s from football, I can tell you that it takes a toll on you.



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    Re: The struggling offense

    As bad as our offense has been, the defense has actually been worse - although not by much. On offense we rank 8th in scoring and yards per game and 9th in yards per play in the conference. On defense we rank last in scoring and yards per game and 9th in yards per play.



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    Re: The struggling offense

    Nice analysis and post. As one of the posters above said, we aren't good on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down. However, I understand your point. I agree, 2nd down is often overlooked. Another poster mentioned 90% of the fan base knowing what play was going to come next. It appears to me that we squander 2nd down all too often as it resembles what we did on 1st down. If first down isn't a "success", then perhaps 2nd down should take on a little more importance. Its almost like the coaching staff has pre called plays and runs them whether or not we gain good yardage on the previous down. At the rate that we gain yardage, 2nd and 8, which is what we are often faced with, should become as critical of a down in the minds of the coaching staff, as any 3rd down situation. Its all too often kind of like a give-away-down.



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    Re: The struggling offense

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    As bad as our offense has been, the defense has actually been worse - although not by much. On offense we rank 8th in scoring and yards per game and 9th in yards per play in the conference. On defense we rank last in scoring and yards per game and 9th in yards per play.
    Giving up 71 points will lower your defense's ranking for sure, plus giving up around 1,800 yards in three games.


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