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    Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I'm not sure the answer but I wonder if ISU is better off going with a pro-style offense that can run the ball and set up the play action. I doubt ISU is ever going to have the athletes to be better at the spread than the rest of the conference. This would also create a different scheme for most teams to try and defend that they do almost every other week in this league.

    The argument to this I can imagine is kids are not going to want to come play for ISU because everyone else plays the spread, but the fact is we have to field a team for the most part with the leftovers from everyone else anyway. Some people hate to hear that but its the fact. We will always lag the 6 Texahoma schools for kids in Texas, and while its nice we get kids out of Florida we are getting kids that have been picked over for the most part.


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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I think so... I'd really like to see that actually... but for as bad as our line has played they style of offense probably wouldn't matter a whole lot...



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I think we need an OC that understands how to run the spread. We need WR's that can get separation. We need a line that can protect. I think a lot of that is coaching. Those of you that love *'s on Rivals, look at Baylor's athletes that dominated yesterday. Primarily 3 stars. They aren't winning with 5 star athletes over there. TX has far more athletic ability than Baylor. Whining about our athletes is a mistake. The difference between ours and theirs aren't as big as many think. In the Walden era, HUGE difference. It was like High School players vs a college team. CPR just needs to get better coaches imo.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I agree. However, with the spread as it stands we are not trying to be better offensively than Baylor, Texas, OSU, etc. I think we just need to at least get to average (i.e. 50th or so in the nation in most offensive statistical categories). We are almost constantly 90+. Think how many more wins we would have over Rhoad's tenure if we were just AVERAGE on offense.

    I really don't care what style offense we run. Just get something that WORKS.


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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    Gotta get he o line taken care of first - until then you can try and run any offense you like, but not much will happen.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I don't know if we would do better under a Pro Style Offense but, I do know that it has won championships for both the U of Iowa and KState university.

    I also know that the spread offense hasn't work very well since CPR arrived, we just cant score enough points to win consistently.

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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    Yes, a million times yes. We are trying to beat everyone else in this league at their own game, and they will always be recruiting better than us. We will never win consistently by following the crowd. We have to differentiate ourselves.

    The way we will be able to win is to do something different. That way we aren't recruiting the same players as the big dogs, and we aren't going against defenses designed to stop what we are built to do. It makes it harder to prep for us in a week. I look at teams like Stanford as a great example of this. Or maybe Georgia Tech with the option, or Texas Tech with the air raid before it was so common.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I agree 100% about the offensive line and was going to put that in the original post but I got typing and left that out. Going to that would require a new OC and hopefully someone that could correct that.

    Yes, Baylor and OSU did not start out getting 4 star recruits but actually start looking at their commit list they are starting to get those kind of kids. OSU & Baylor each have 4 four star recruits. But its not only who has the most 4 star recruits, I bet we lose 90% of the time on the 3 star recruits to Texahoma schools for the kids in Texas.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    People who think that switching from the spread to a pro style offense will automatically fix everything that is wrong with this offense are kidding themselves. The problems with this offense go WAY beyond what formation we use - play calling, blocking, and health are things that don't just get magically better by changing the formation.

    People seem to forget that before McCarney was fired we utilized a pro style offense, and it was at times just as bad as what we're seeing now. Not only that, people cheered when Chizik dumped the pro style in favor of the spread.

    I'm not saying I'm opposed to using the pro set, I'm saying what is wrong with this offense goes much deeper than whatever style of offense we run, and until we address those problems, it's not going to matter what formation we run the plays out of because it's going to continue to be a dumpster fire.


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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    It doesn't matter what type of offense we run, really. What matters is having an offensive coordinator, or offensive coach of any kind, on staff. There are 8, maybe 9 offensive coordinators and/or head coaches in the Big 12 with a better understanding of offense than Messingham. There are x amount of MAC teams that have better OC's than Iowa State does with Messingham. An offensive mind is needed. Not some guy who couldn't even cut the mustard at Upper Iowa University.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    Been saying it for years. We run the same offense as the rest of the conference, only not as good. You think conference teams have a hard time preparing for us? How hard is that to understand? We should run a pro style offense, and give kids a chance to play in a system that is widely used at the pro level. Differentiate ourselves. How hard is that to figure out?

    Honestly we would be better off going to any sort of option offense at this time. Yes, I am serious.


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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    Quote Originally Posted by joefrog View Post
    Been saying it for years. We run the same offense as the rest of the conference, only not as good. You think conference teams have a hard time preparing for us? How hard is that to understand? We should run a pro style offense, and give kids a chance to play in a system that is widely used at the pro level. Differentiate ourselves. How hard is that to figure out?

    Honestly we would be better off going to any sort of option offense at this time. Yes, I am serious.
    We run a crappier version of the same schemes with crappier players... WHY AREN'T WE WINNING?



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    I would simply love it if Iowa State could run the spread as well as other teams in the conference. The simple fact is though, they can't. I blame it on the o-line and the OC. Our position players have turned the corner, IMO.



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    Re: Is ISU better off going to a Pro-style offense?

    First, a new coordinator. But yes, I think there is an advantage running something different when opposing defenses are being built around stopping one style.

    So I would switch to......




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    The triple option






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    TEAM STATISTICS ISU OPP
    SCORING 151 220
    Points Per Game 25.2 36.7
    FIRST DOWNS 108 157
    Rushing 47 61
    Passing 61 85
    Penalty 0 11
    RUSHING YARDAGE 791 1193
    Yards gained rushing 957 1293
    Yards lost rushing 166 100
    Rushing Attempts 234 248
    Average Per Rush 3.4 4.8
    Average Per Game 131.8 198.8
    TDs Rushing 7 15
    PASSING YARDAGE 1320 1759
    Comp-Att-Int 116-206-6 152-241-2
    Average Per Pass 6.4 7.3
    Average Per Catch 11.4 11.6
    Average Per Game 220.0 293.2
    TDs Passing 11 12
    TOTAL OFFENSE 2111 2952
    Total Plays 440 489
    Average Per Play 4.8 6.0
    Average Per Game 351.8 492.0
    KICK RETURNS: #-Yards 26-592 15-361
    PUNT RETURNS: #-Yards 11-143 9-72
    INT RETURNS: #-Yards 2-16 6-57
    KICK RETURN AVERAGE 22.8 24.1
    PUNT RETURN AVERAGE 13.0 8.0
    INT RETURN AVERAGE 8.0 9.5
    FUMBLES-LOST 7-2 15-9
    PENALTIES-Yards 31-291 22-167
    Average Per Game 48.5 27.8
    PUNTS-Yards 42-1860 33-1391
    Average Per Punt 44.3 42.2
    Net punt average 39.7 36.6
    KICKOFFS-Yards 28-1781 39-2317
    Average Per Kick 63.6 59.4
    Net kick average 39.1 35.9
    TIME OF POSSESSION/Game 30:30 29:30
    3RD-DOWN Conversions 39/103 41/92
    3rd-Down Pct 38% 45%
    4TH-DOWN Conversions 7/11 8/10
    4th-Down Pct 64% 80%
    SACKS BY-Yards 10-52 23-136
    MISC YARDS 0 0
    TOUCHDOWNS SCORED 19 29
    FIELD GOALS-ATTEMPTS 6-10 6-7
    ON-SIDE KICKS 1-3 0-0
    RED-ZONE SCORES (17-18) 94% (20-24) 83%
    RED-ZONE TOUCHDOWNS (13-18) 72% (15-24) 63%
    PAT-ATTEMPTS (19-19) 100% (28-29) 97%
    ATTENDANCE 166362 124329
    Games/Avg Per Game 3/55454 3/41443
    Neutral Site Games 0/0

    Score by quarters 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Total
    Iowa State 21 41 34 55 151
    Opponents 48 75 35 62 220






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