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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by crash_zone View Post
    I doubt Herman is making the calls at tOSU. Besides, with those players, anyones system can look good. We need someone that can make OUR players look good in their system....Herman really didn't accomplish that while he was here either.
    Watching the game Saturday, Urban never said anything on his head phones when the plays went in. He just listened. He did supposedly tell Herman at half to do more wide side plays which Herman did. Herman is calling the plays with a potential overrule by Urban.


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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Wally has had 4 years of decent defense, and a lifetime resume of success. Messingham has 18 games of failing and an inability to adjust to anything. I think CPR thought Herman was an issue because of the lack of productivity the offense had, but after 4.5 years of constant clusters it looks like a system issue.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Watching the game Saturday, Urban never said anything on his head phones when the plays went in. He just listened. He did supposedly tell Herman at half to do more wide side plays which Herman did. Herman is calling the plays with a potential overrule by Urban.

    So Herman has top talent and was struggling to beat Iowa? You guys make me laugh with this stuff. Herman had some good games at ISU, but not many of them. He wasn't a great OC either and at OSU has not been impressive. Their offense was terrible last year.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    I still say get the Tulsa OC. Can you imagine their offense with a good QB?! You can tell the guy can prepare a game plan. Sees things on the field as they are happening and knows how to exploit it. I thought his offense was very tough to predict every time I have watched them. We could easily get that guy and he would be a great addition IMO. That guy is a true blue OC.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Our offensive plays reeked. If we could have a real oline, we might have doubled or tripled the output last night. Say go from 174 yards up to 340 yards in the game.


    George had 18 tackles, Washington 12 and SE Richardson 11.

    Baylor had nine tackles for losses.

    Kirby has punted for almost 1000 yards in the last two games.

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    That was about the eleven minute mark in the first quarter that the game turned.
    Hard to argue with that.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by D UP Clones View Post
    So Herman has top talent and was struggling to beat Iowa? You guys make me laugh with this stuff. Herman had some good games at ISU, but not many of them. He wasn't a great OC either and at OSU has not been impressive. Their offense was terrible last year.

    Uhh, I'd give my left testicle to have 19 consecutive wins, unimpressive OC and terrible offense or not. Talk about their weak schedule, whatever, don't care, I'd still give my left testicle to get 19 straight wins.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Rhoads is a man that is known for being pretty classy.

    Mangino is not.

    I'd take Mangino, but don't see Rhoads wanting him on the staff.


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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    Rhoads is a man that is known for being pretty classy.

    Mangino is not.

    I'd take Mangino, but don't see Rhoads wanting him on the staff.

    I think Mangino has changed. He took time off to get himself straight and is easing back into the game. I would take him in a heartbeat.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by crash_zone View Post
    I doubt Herman is making the calls at tOSU. Besides, with those players, anyones system can look good. We need someone that can make OUR players look good in their system....Herman really didn't accomplish that while he was here either.

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    Outside of Ohio State, Michigan and Nebraska, all of which finished in the top 20 nationally, the Big Ten had a lackluster recruiting season. There were, however, several impressive individual recruiting performances, making the title of the Big Ten's best recruiter hotly contested. The job that Herman, Ohio State's offensive coordinator, did by going to Texas and grabbing three of the state's top 20-ranked prospects, including five-star linebacker Mike Mitchell -- Texas' No. 1 ranked prospect -- gets the nod as this year's most impressive feat. While Mitchell was a monumental pull, convincing Rivals100 running back Dontre Wilson to leave his Oregon commitment, spurn the in-state Longhorns and come to Columbus to play slot receiver was more impressive. Add four-star quarterback J.T. Barrett to his total, and even though Herman did not get to pad his stats with in-state pickups, his was the Big Ten's best in 2013. - See more at: Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Rivals.com top recruiters: Big Ten



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    But can we afford to feed him?

    Quote Originally Posted by JP4CY View Post
    Mangino would be a good hire, reminds me of Fred hiring Doc Sadler, a proven coach.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    For whatever team may need them, I suspect these three might be available at the end of the year

    1 Norm Chow-proven OC, home run hire. Won't survive at Hawaii as HC
    2.Dana Holgerson-proven OC but days may be numbered as HC at WVA. Another home run hire as OC
    3. Todd Monken-former Okie State OC, may not survive as HC this year
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    Ed Warinner-former OC under Mangino when KU made it run, now at Ohio State
    Mark Mangino-former KU head coach.

    I've always thought he is the most overrated coordinator there is. He was called a genius when he had those great players at USC, but hasn't sustained that success anywhere else he has been



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    Quote Originally Posted by JP4CY View Post
    Mangino would be a good hire, reminds me of Fred hiring Doc Sadler, a proven coach.
    Agreed.



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    Our OC might be available after this season. You guys want him?



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    We have many issues

    I think CPR is going to have a few tough calls during the off season
    1. Our offensive staff overall is not showing much. Messingham's playing calling is predictable.
    2. I know our o-line has been dinged this year, but their play has been pathetic. I thought the new o-line coach would make:a huge impact, but it seems like we are worse. What's scary is our talent evaluation might be the bigger problem.
    3. Our defense has no identity. Bend/don't break only works if your defense can stop the opponents run game. Our front seven just isn't physical enough. We need to get bigger at DE and need a couple starting LB's in the 230/240 range.

    I realize we are young, but that is no guarantee of future success



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    Re: OC's available at the end of the season...

    There better be a change coming tonight or tomorrow. If not, I will have lost all faith in Rhoads.



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