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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    I've never said differently. But people think that just because it's offensive that it has to go. That's not true. It only has to go if the NFL/Redskins say so. People can protest/complain all they want, but it's going nowhere unless the league feels like it's in the best interest of the NFL.

    Considering how long this has dragged on, I doubt we're going to see it changed anytime soon.
    Fair point and I agree.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JHUNSY View Post
    I was simply implying by using the word protected that he isn't fully so. Yes, his rights protect his speech. However, He is not immune from the league constitution and still has to conduct himself within those boundaries. I just wouldn't consider them protected by the first amendment in that situation anymore because they can still end up losing their franchise regardless of legal rights.

    Do you think Sterling has a case to sue his way back into the NBA? If he does, which I think he very well may, then you would be able to phrase that they are protected by the first amendment.
    No you wouldn't. It's simply not a first amendment issue. Whether or not Donald Sterling is able to maintain his ownership of he Clippers has absolutely zero to do with Free Speech and everything to do with the strength of the NBA's constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    No you wouldn't. It's simply not a first amendment issue. Whether or not Donald Sterling is able to maintain his ownership of he Clippers has absolutely zero to do with Free Speech and everything to do with the strength of the NBA's constitution.
    Which is why I said that they weren't protected in that sense in the first place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JHUNSY View Post
    Which is why I said that they weren't protected in that sense in the first place.
    Ok, my bad then. I thought you were saying that if Sterling successfully sued to maintain ownership of the team then you could say that the First Amendment protected him.


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    Re: Redskins

    This may re-focus the discussion a bit:

    Change the Mascot ad


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    Re: Redskins

    Should be the Washington Admiral Ackbars.



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    Re: Redskins

    There's also a new survey out saying Native Americans do find the name offensive.
    http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    So, you're in favor of racism?

    i'm just going to go ahead and say you're kidding right?



    im sure people will find something new to be offended about no matter the outcome.


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    Re: Redskins

    I read some where that the 'Redskins' nickname was derived from their war paint--not the natural skin color ....fwiw

    I think the Cleveland Indians logo is much more controversial



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by BeachAve View Post
    I read some where that the 'Redskins' nickname was derived from their war paint--not the natural skin color ....fwiw

    I think the Cleveland Indians logo is much more controversial
    There's some debate over what it originally was supposed to mean. One thing that it definitely was not was an honor to former coach and native American, Lone Star Dietz, regardless of what Dan Snyder might say.

    http://thinkprogress.org/sports/2014...ive-americans/


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    Re: Redskins

    The real question should be, "why do some of their fanbase dress like hogettes?" I mean, it's kinda crazy and cool at the same time.







    I guess they could just be the HOGS. That would be kinda cool.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by WooClone15 View Post
    There's also a new survey out saying Native Americans do find the name offensive.
    http://cips.csusb.edu/docs/PressRelease.pdf
    Haven't read thru all the posts so sorry if this has been discussed. While I don't necessarily think the term redskin is racist, I do think it's derogatory to say the least. I've read enough history books on the old west and watched enough cowboy movies to know that the term redskin was almost always preceded by something bad like "dirty redskins", "thievin redskins". "bloodthirsty redskins", etc. Pretty understandable why most native Americans would find it offensive and/or racist.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by CYKOFAN View Post
    Haven't read thru all the posts so sorry if this has been discussed. While I don't necessarily think the term redskin is racist, I do think it's derogatory to say the least. I've read enough history books on the old west and watched enough cowboy movies to know that the term redskin was almost always preceded by something bad like "dirty redskins", "thievin redskins". "bloodthirsty redskins", etc. Pretty understandable why most native Americans would find it offensive and/or racist.
    Yeah I understand that, and I think tzjung had good anologies to what names would be similar. I was more posting this because earlier in this thread there was a conversation that native americans didn't find the name offensive, and this survey disputes that.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneRulzzz View Post
    US Patent and Trademark office withdrew team trademark canceled. Too bad it doesn't mean much really. Means other people can profit from using the name which means little because who wants to be associated with that name.
    I don't know. Someone will try to profit off of it, possibly to use against Snyder. Someone will try to get cute with it. Can you imagine a line of "Redskins brand feminine hygiene products?" This is provided that the decision survives an appeal, of course. But still, it's not an insignificant decision.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneRulzzz View Post
    US Patent and Trademark office withdrew team trademark canceled. Too bad it doesn't mean much really. Means other people can profit from using the name which means little because who wants to be associated with that name.
    That's ludicrous. The licensing rights of an NFL brand are extraordinary valuable.


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