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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    He's running out of arguments. "But, but, Slippery Slope! failed. "It's only white guilt!" failed. Now it's on to Ad Hominem.
    It is really in the purview of Dan Snyder. The Oneidas of Wisconsin should try to buy the team.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Some people will never change.
    And?



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    It is really in the purview of Dan Snyder. The Oneidas of Wisconsin should try to buy the team.
    The straight rich white guy is the only one who gets to decide if the name is offensive?



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by WooClone15 View Post
    But the two groups are not equal and shouldn't carry the same weight. The group that says the name is offensive and demeaning is mostly made up of a majority of native americans and some white people. The group that says it isn't is a majority of white people and a small percentage of native americans. Ultimately, the views of the native american community should carry a lot more weight since its a term referring to them.
    However, it has not been changed to date. This is Dan Snyder and the NFL saying no. Until you convince them, you have no progress. All you do is make more publicity for the R******S.

    Hey, the country is as divided as it has been for decades.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomeborg View Post
    The straight rich white guy is the only one who gets to decide if the name is offensive?
    He owns the team. You need to buy Snyder out. Just like Donald R. Sterling. The rich dude owns the team.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by WooClone15 View Post
    And?
    It is a process.


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    Re: Redskins

    I was watching videos on CNN.com last night - even if they lose the trademark to the Redskins name, nothing changes. First, it's still defendable by common law (just harder). Second, money speaks - the only way they will even consider changing the name is if they are hit financially - boycotting games, refusing to purchase team items, refusing to watch on TV, etc. Those against the name can boycott all they want, but odds are those most likely to boycott probably weren't going to games or buying team stuff anyway. Which means unless there's a change of heart amongst the core supporters, nothing changes.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    He owns the team. You need to buy Snyder out. Just like Donald R. Sterling. The rich dude owns the team.
    He does, indeed, own the team. But, the United States does not need to protect the rights of said team to profit exclusively off of their merchandise. And if the Redskins don't own their trademark, than they can't grant that trademark to the use of the NFL, which means that the NFL doesn't get to sell the rights to make those trademarked items to companies like Nike. And if Nike doesn't have to buy those rights, than we don't have to pay $120 for an RGIII jersey.

    So, I think the name might be changing.

    And I don't get why it hasn't changed yet.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomeborg View Post
    Especially when you give them the right to not have to change. When you excuse their racist and offensive behavior, you allow them to feel normal about it. You keep fluffing that racist pillow for them, and they'll never want to get out of bed.
    The behavior is being called to task and nothing of consequence has happened. Even the trademark decision is being appealed. Has the name been changed yet after several years of infighting? Dan Snyder claims he will not change. Stop buying his tickets and quit watching the NFL.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    However, it has not been changed to date. This is Dan Snyder and the NFL saying no. Until you convince them, you have no progress. All you do is make more publicity. Hey, the country is as divided as it has been for decades.
    I think if the NFL has trouble controlling their copyright, they may apply pressure to change the name. And I am perfectly aware that they ultimately have the final say. However, let's call it what it is. It's the NFL and an owner refusing to change a racist team name. They and their supporters don't have the moral high ground in this and shouldn't pretend that they do.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by WooClone15 View Post
    I think if the NFL has trouble controlling their copyright, they may apply pressure to change the logo. And I am perfectly aware that they ultimately have the final say. However, let's call it what it is. It's the NFL and an owner refusing to change a racist team name. They and their supporters don't have the moral high ground in this and shouldn't pretend that they do.
    The Redskins logo has not had it's copyrights stripped - just the Redskins name.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by WooClone15 View Post
    I think if the NFL has trouble controlling their copyright, they may apply pressure to change the logo. And I am perfectly aware that they ultimately have the final say. However, let's call it what it is. It's the NFL and an owner refusing to change a racist team name. They and their supporters don't have the moral high ground in this and shouldn't pretend that they do.
    They have not claimed the moral high ground. They refused to change since Snyder did not want to. They totally blew off the dem 50 senator letter.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomeborg View Post
    He does, indeed, own the team. But, the United States does not need to protect the rights of said team to profit exclusively off of their merchandise. And if the Redskins don't own their trademark, than they can't grant that trademark to the use of the NFL, which means that the NFL doesn't get to sell the rights to make those trademarked items to companies like Nike. And if Nike doesn't have to buy those rights, than we don't have to pay $120 for an RGIII jersey.

    So, I think the name might be changing.

    And I don't get why it hasn't changed yet.
    Same old story. Use the boycott of the product to urge change. Obviously Snyder does not want to change. I know there is club cost to make a name change, but, bottom line, he does not want to change.


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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Same old story. Use the boycott of the product to urge change. Obviously Snyder does not want to change. I know there is club cost to make a name change, but, bottom line, he does not want to change.
    I would guess the legal fees to fight this so stringently, along with the negative publicity, would make a name change much more financially viable.

    I'd honestly be very interested in hearing the financials on fighting the name change in court vs. enacting the name change.



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    Re: Redskins

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    The Redskins logo has not had it's copyrights stripped - just the Redskins name.
    Yeah, I changed that after I noticed it. I meant to say name.



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