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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post

    Harvard doesn't because they don't give scholarships for sports/aren't D1 (someone who knows better correct me there on the schollys) and are focused solely on academics.

    The Ivy league schools are 1-AA and they don't offer athletic scholarships.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    Do you have any evidence to show that we recruit better than them? They've had higher rated classes for 4/6 years, counting 2014, that Paul Rhoads has been coach.

    They recruit better than us and have an easier schedule, it isn't debatable. Why are we arguing?
    Just saying that relative to the biggies that they have to play - OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, etc. - they're just like us. I'd bet none of those teams offered a scholarship to any NW player that's on the field tonight.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by JUKEBOX View Post
    Why is the north side of Chicago better than Ames?
    I lived in Ames for 5 years, lived in Evanston for 1, and currently live in Chicago.
    Both of those places have their pros and cons.
    Ames is your typical College town and I would choose a town like Ames over Evanston any day of the week. However, Evanston has a lot more to sell to kids than Ames does. They have Lake Michigan & Beaches, downtown Chicago, and a decent night life in downtown Evanston.
    Ames, has Welch Ave.

    They are also recruiting against schools with the same climate as them. ISU is recruiting against schools where the temperature never drops below 50 or 60 degrees.
    Northwestern also has a far easier schedule than ISU (more times than not).
    And finally, Academics. It matters because if a player doesn't make the NFL (like most of them), they still have a degree from Northwestern, which is a big sell.

    Iowa State trumps them on everything else, though. Facilities and fan base.

    I didn't read this entire thread, so sorry if I repeated a lot of things.


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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Forget Northwestern, I'm still trying to figure out why we aren't as good as UNI.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    NW is also in IL, and the Illini have been very bad for several years. Also, IL is huge population wise compared to Iowa. Gary B. is also one of the best coaches in the county. He is a guy that knows exactly what he has and where and how to use them, something that the ISU coaching staff could do a lot better.
    He hasn't coached a game at Northwestern in 15 years.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    I think Iowa state would be as good as Northwestern if they played in the big 10. Their spread offense would look pretty mediocre in the big 12.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCyd View Post
    Forget Northwestern, I'm still trying to figure out why we aren't as good as UNI.
    Uhh. Facilities? Never mind. Athletic scholarships? Never mind. Academic reputation? Never mind. Money? Never mind. Tradition? Never mind. Location? Never mind.

    I have no freaking idea.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Northwestern built their program up when Michigan and Ohio State (and the rest of the big Ten) was down. Until this year, the Big12 hasn't had too many chances for programs to build something with Texas and OU being pretty strong.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by MNclone View Post
    I think Iowa state would be as good as Northwestern if they played in the big 10. Their spread offense would look pretty mediocre in the big 12.
    The specific offense isn't so much the thing as it is they're willingness to go against the grain offensively. Other teams are implementing the spread in the B10 as well, but years before Fitzgerald NW had no talent but still put up big numbers offensively because in part they were such a departure from everybody else in the conference offensively and were difficult to prepare for. It is possible to be successful offensively with much less talent.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    The rest of the big 10 goes against the grain of every other conference by not running the spread.

    And is that a track around northwestern's field?



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by MNclone View Post
    I think Iowa state would be as good as Northwestern if they played in the big 10. Their spread offense would look pretty mediocre in the big 12.
    de·lu·sion

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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    I think the biggest difference between us and NW the past 5 years has been QB play. They have smart QBs who know the system and reads, make good decisions and are just athletic enough to make a play. In college football, that alone puts you in a lot of games.

    I love AA - true Cyclone - but he just wasn't a spread QB. He was better suited as a QB in an I-formation set built on play-action. Not a spread read-option guy.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo View Post
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    I believe ISU would be about at NW's level if we were in B10. Maybe not quite but close. Definitely would be just as good as (if not better than) Iowa.



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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo View Post
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    How many wins do you think ISU would've had last year not playing one single ranked team instead of 4? I think at least 8 wins and maybe 9.

    With an easier schedule the level of NW's, ISU's 6 win seasons are easily 8 wins which would put them right in line with Northwestern's W/L.

    The last ranked team NW beat was Nebraska in 2011.

    And here is the difference in wins between ISU and NW:

    09- +1 NW
    10- +2 NW (with one more game than ISU)
    11- Push
    12- +4 NW (playing not one ranked team)

    So they have an average of about 2 extra wins per season with a SOS about 40 spots lower than ISU's. Not exactly untouchable. NW beat 4 ranked teams total in that time (Iowa twice) and ISU also beat 4 ranked teams in that time.

    Sagarin SOS for ISU and NW, respectively

    12- #11, #50
    11- #2, #46
    10- #24, #74
    09- #71, #80

    Finished about 36 spots behind ISU on average in SOS

    Sagarin finish for ISU and NW, respectively

    12- #55, #21
    11- #43, #58
    10- #65, #71
    09- #66, #61

    Not too wide of a gap there, and if there is it has only come about in the last year when NW could capitalize on playing a lot of mediocre opponents. And they did beat a lot of teams last year, good for them.


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    Re: Any reason why we aren't as good as Northwestern?

    Wasn't it between us and Northwestern for Shontrell Johnson?



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