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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Do you trust Leath's judgement in his decision? If not, why?



    Seems like Palo's case is pretty good incentive to avoid that scenario...
    1. I don't know him personally any more than I know Bubu. Simply saying without knowing anything, how can one cast judgement on Bubu on whether or not he should have the right to appeal?
    2. Good incentive on others doesn't change the unfortunate situation Bubu is in.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    If he were my son I would be lawyering up.
    Since his parents have not, doesn't that make you think they know something that doesn't make it worthwhile.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CapnCy View Post
    Except his "mistake" was a very big error in judgement.

    I'm all for second chances and such, but also for consequences. He will still be able to get a degree.

    I get that charges were dropped and that is the legal side of things, but President Leath still has the ability to determine who is representing our university.
    So having sex is a big error in judgement? So you've never had sex before? Wow. So what church are you a priest at?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illiniclone View Post
    So having sex is a big error in judgement? So you've never had sex before? Wow. So what church are you a priest at?
    This is the question of the thread really. People against Bubu appealing or being on the team are assuming there is info "not being released" that makes this move more logical while others are simply saying that due to evidence being fabricated, there isn't anything illegal that happened so when is enough enough, and why wait till the school year begins to make this move preventing the guy from making alternative plans with his basketball career? In every other area of his life, he was seen an upstanding individual. God forbid give a kid that was seen as innocent in the court of law some benefit of the doubt.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by State43 View Post
    This is the question of the thread really. People against Bubu appealing or being on the team are assuming there is info "not being released" that makes this move more logical while others are simply saying that due to evidence being fabricated, there isn't anything illegal that happened so when is enough enough, and why wait till the school year begins to make this move preventing the guy from making alternative plans with his basketball career? In every other area of his life, he was seen an upstanding individual. God forbid give a kid that was seen as innocent in the court of law some benefit of the doubt.
    The big problem I see in this thread is that people can't distinguish between the law and university policy. Again, a legal action may still violate university policy. The issue now is whether Palo violated university policy in such a manner that he should be removed from the MBB team. Leath decided that he did. If Palo thinks otherwise, he should appeal to the BOR.

    As to the timing of the announcement, that was determined largely by whoever filed the appeal, and when they decided to submit it to Leath.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    The big problem I see in this thread is that people can't distinguish between the law and university policy. Again, a legal action may still violate university policy. The issue now is whether Palo violated university policy in such a manner that he should be removed from the MBB team. Leath decided that he did. If Palo thinks otherwise, he should appeal to the BOR.

    As to the timing of the announcement, that was determined largely by whoever filed the appeal, and when they decided to submit it to Leath.
    I get the whole difference between the law and university policy. What I don't understand is why he was originally found not guilty of violating the university policy and then Leath decided to overturn it.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by State43 View Post
    Awesome, so some girl can make an accusation with no proof and fabricated evidence towards a person, ruin their reputation and basketball career, and people with 0 association to the case side against him. Awesome, hope you guys don't meet the wrong girl one lonely night, might get the favor returned.
    I'm paying $851 dollars a month child support for the next 10 years because a woman I'd been with for over 2 years decided her birth control pills made her queasy. Of course, she never told me she quit taking them, but whatever.

    I love my kid just like any dad does. That said, these things can go both ways.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    This is a slippery slope here and we don't have all of the information available to arrive at an informed opinion. Did the alleged victim fabricate evidence? Yes. Is it still possible that a crime took place? Yes. Is it possible that the alleged victim fabricated the evidence to make certain her alleged attackers were not going to get away with this alleged crime? Yes. Was there other evidence that the prosecuting attorney had but didn't feel was strong enough to get a conviction? We don't know. There is so much to this story we don't know it just seems to me that Leath did the responsible thing (maybe he knows more then we do) and protected the University and those associated with it.
    I am of the feeling Leath felt after hearing the evidence that Bubu was not guilty of rape but rather guilty of being a complete dirtball tagteaming an extremly intoxicated girl while completely sober. If Leath thought he was a rapist he would be kicked out of school. So instead he used his discretion and said he didnt want him representing ISU and banned him from an extracurricular activity Imo. Heck we dont even know if bubu got his scholly yanked. My guess is he didnt. I am fine with this if this is the case. So either he decides to let it lie and move on or clear his name of being a rapist but shed more light on him being a dirtball. I would probably move on and stop going by Bubu.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    The only way this could possibly matter in the least is if Leath made his decision because he believes that Palo raped the girl. Leath's decision may have been based on things that happened that are not disputed by either party. We simply don't know all that went on that evening, and we don't know which of Palo's actions were considered for Leath's decision.
    This



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    If he's absolutely 100% not guilty, then by all means, appeal.

    If he lucked out of a prison sentence because the victim enhanced the evidence, then not so much.

    I really want to know the content of the appeal, but without that additional info we're all just taking shots in the dark.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpokaneCY View Post
    Voting you redneck father of the decade.

    isufbcurt talking to his recently raped daughter:

    "Well Nancy, boys will be boys (chuckle chuckle chuckle)! Whaddya say you and I go down to the Walgreens and buy some morning after pills then go to the clinic and get you tested for STDs you little knucklehead!"
    Sleeping with a drunk girl and raping a girl are not the same thing unless said drunk girl was incapacitated (loss of control of one's self). Prosecutors and the University previously determined this standard was not met. So it is not fair to claim he was a rapist unless you know something we don't. Slimeball yes but rapist no.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Do you trust Leath's judgement in his decision? If not, why?



    Seems like Palo's case is pretty good incentive to avoid that scenario...
    For one Leath's first priority is protecting the University not one student getting a "fair shake". So in my opinion Leath ahould not be viewed as some unbiased 3rd party with a duty of justice. He also could have been saving face when the girls family threatened to sue the university. Fact is we dont know, but we certainly have plenty of reason to presume innocence legally speaking. But as has been said before Leath did what he had to do and Bubu did not represent the University well even if not a rapist so doessnt really have much of a leg to stand on.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illiniclone View Post
    So having sex is a big error in judgement? So you've never had sex before? Wow. So what church are you a priest at?
    Really? Attack me?

    Many have stated this and I'll repeat, criminal processes and university process are different. Leath seems to have some info that leads him to believe this was the appropriate decision....and he knows it could be appealed to the BOR. Do you think he'd make a deceaion like this in a willy nilly way? How would that look to his boss' (BOR) if he just made a ho hom decision?

    I'm not a pastor...have kids...so you can decide if I'm sexually active. Grow up.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CapnCy View Post
    Really? Attack me?

    Many have stated this and I'll repeat, criminal processes and university process are different. Leath seems to have some info that leads him to believe this was the appropriate decision....and he knows it could be appealed to the BOR. Do you think he'd make a deceaion like this in a willy nilly way? How would that look to his boss' (BOR) if he just made a ho hom decision?

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