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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by LutherBlue View Post
    There are two different standards of proof. How does he know what the evidence shows?
    I think he's just saying that the first time around they found him not in violation of student code. So what made them change their minds, does ISU know something they didn't know the first time or did someone threaten to wage a negative pr battle (smear) with University over this. The latter would be my guess



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    If he were my son I would be lawyering up.
    I fee sorry your son



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    If he were my son I would be lawyering up.
    Bubu has zero, absolute zero grounds to sue the university.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFine View Post
    It is posts like this that are embarrassing to the university with complete fabrications disguised as facts.
    Prove me wrong then.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Big deal. You know how many college kids make the "mistake" of having relations with a drunk girl who has a bf every weekend.

    Yes he should appeal.
    Voting you redneck father of the decade.

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    "Well Nancy, boys will be boys (chuckle chuckle chuckle)! Whaddya say you and I go down to the Walgreens and buy some morning after pills then go to the clinic and get you tested for STDs you little knucklehead!"



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psiclone View Post
    So what if he made an error in judgment???? The only relevant issue is whether his actions violated criminal laws or the student code of conduct. Nothing else matters. The prosecutor, a position I have held in the past, made a decision that the evidence was not sufficient to constitute a criminal violation. The student board which reviewed the evidence concluded the evidence was insufficient to constitute a student conduct violation. That is the point of the article. I think he should definitely appeal to the Board of Regents.
    A quibble... The prosecutor didn't necessarily drop the case based on evidence. Most likely he examined the case including the evidence and including the victims actions and felt his odds of success were less than certain. Never heard of a single NON-TV lawyer who took a case to court without doing that math.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psiclone View Post
    Highly doubtful. Appeals are based on the facts considered by the lower body from which the appeal is taken. Generally, the standard is that there was no factual basis for supporting the decision that is being appealed.
    Are you speaking from a legal POV or from an insititue of higher learning's codes and standards of conduct POV?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by SpokaneCY View Post
    A quibble... The prosecutor didn't necessarily drop the case based on evidence. Most likely he examined the case including the evidence and including the victims actions and felt his odds of success were less than certain. Never heard of a single NON-TV lawyer who took a case to court without doing that math.
    He had to feel pretty confident he would not win the case. If there was a chance of proving the case, he would have taken it to court. There was obviously no chance of proving the case.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Big deal. You know how many college kids make the "mistake" of having relations with a drunk girl who has a bf every weekend.

    Yes he should appeal.
    Big deal? Really?

    By definition, having sex with a person who is not able to give consent is rape..and that's sad if you brush it off as "everyone does it"

    I'd love for you to look her father in the eye and say exactly what you just posted and see how he responded.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    For those saying, "lawyer up," why?

    It appears ISU procedures have been followed (and those are different than criminal charges, etc). Do you think Leath would make such a decision without legal counsel and understanding the process?

    A players ability to be on a team isn't a right (heck, we saw it this summer when we took on a transfer then took that spot back for someone else).



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    I don't see how the fact that the criminal charges were dropped is particularly relevant here. Leath's decision isn't a matter of law, it's a matter of university policy, and the law and university/AD policy are not synonymous. For example, as far as I know, cheating on a test given in a typical university class is not against the law, but if you are caught cheating, the university can take certain actions against you.

    As you said, we don't know what happened, but there may have been things done and stipulated to that violate university/AD policy, and Leath has decided that these actions warrant Palo not being on the MBB team. Leath doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to intentionally antagonize the AD and MBB head coach. In fact, he seems just the opposite.
    Indeed, if it's a matter of university policy than why was he reinstated in the first place? Palo made some horrible decisions and hopefully he has learned from what happened. Leath is the one putting ISU back in press again. My opinion is he would rather have the regents make the decision to allow him back on the team. He then looks good and Palo gets to play. Just my 2 cents.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by casey1973 View Post
    Indeed, if it's a matter of university policy than why was he reinstated in the first place?
    I don't know. An appeal of that reinstatement was made by a third party. The appeal may have contained additional info not available to the student board, or Leath may have reviewed the case and simply came to the conclusion that the student board made the wrong decision. Just because the student board reinstated Palo doesn't mean that it was the correct thing to do based on the facts.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Awesome, so some girl can make an accusation with no proof and fabricated evidence towards a person, ruin their reputation and basketball career, and people with 0 association to the case side against him. Awesome, hope you guys don't meet the wrong girl one lonely night, might get the favor returned.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by State43 View Post
    Awesome, so some girl can make an accusation with no proof and fabricated evidence towards a person, ruin their reputation and basketball career, and people with 0 association to the case side against him.
    Do you trust Leath's judgement in his decision? If not, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by State43 View Post
    Awesome, hope you guys don't meet the wrong girl one lonely night, might get the favor returned.
    Seems like Palo's case is pretty good incentive to avoid that scenario...


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambalaya View Post
    give it a rest

    He should of been kicked off the team a year ago
    My how smart you are jamby.
    Enlighten me/us. Why should he have been kicked off the team a year ago?



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