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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psiclone View Post
    The student board which reviewed the evidence concluded the evidence was insufficient to constitute a student conduct violation.
    Perhaps the appeal to the president provided other facts that were not available to the student board???


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Perhaps the appeal to the president provided other facts that were not available to the student board???
    Highly doubtful. Appeals are based on the facts considered by the lower body from which the appeal is taken. Generally, the standard is that there was no factual basis for supporting the decision that is being appealed.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    I don't see how the fact that the criminal charges were dropped is particularly relevant here. Leath's decision isn't a matter of law, it's a matter of university policy, and the law and university/AD policy are not synonymous. For example, as far as I know, cheating on a test given in a typical university class is not against the law, but if you are caught cheating, the university can take certain actions against you.

    As you said, we don't know what happened, but there may have been things done and stipulated to that violate university/AD policy, and Leath has decided that these actions warrant Palo not being on the MBB team. Leath doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to intentionally antagonize the AD and MBB head coach. In fact, he seems just the opposite.
    IMO its not just that they were dropped, but that they were dropped because the accuser fabricated evidence.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CHAKAZULU View Post
    This opinion published in the Ames Tribune thinks he should.

    Letter: Leath must reverse decision on Palo | Ames Tribune
    give it a rest

    He should of been kicked off the team a year ago



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    He should have never put himself in the situation. As a student athlete and a representative of the university in the public eye, whether guilty or not, is bad publicity. Add into how he acted throughout his suspension, I have no sympathy for him. A student athlete on scholarship are held to same standards as students on scholarship, broke rules in place within the student code, it was his stupid decision to put himself in that situation. Everyone should just move on.
    It is posts like this that are embarrassing to the university with complete fabrications disguised as facts.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Big deal. You know how many college kids make the "mistake" of having relations with a drunk girl who has a bf every weekend.

    Yes he should appeal.
    As far as what Bubu does with the appeal, I could really care less. He made his bed and needs to sleep in it and suffer the consequences of his actions.

    This kind of attitude is what lead Bubu in trouble in the first place. Just because it goes on does not make it acceptable. I am sure you would feel a little bit different if it was your daughter who Bubu and his cohort took to an abandoned house. Yes the girl also put herself into a situation but it does not excuse Bubu from being judged or criticized.

    Bubu could have been a man and walked away or stopped the situation from happening. Definitely the choice I would expect from my son vs. stating "Big Deal".



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jambalaya View Post
    give it a rest

    He should of been kicked off the team a year ago
    So your problem is with Fred Hoiberg? What should we do with him?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    If the question is - should Bubu appeal? Heck yeah if appealing is an option. Why wouldn't he? He doesn't have much to lose at this point.

    If the question is - do I want Bubu to appeal? Then meh. I'm honestly getting tired of my 6 year old asking me to explain sexual harassment every time the news mentions what used to be his favorite player.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    As a 22 year old male I find it patronizing to categorize serious sexual assault allegations as a "mistake by a kid" or anything of the sort. We know what we should be doing.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    IMO its not just that they were dropped, but that they were dropped because the accuser fabricated evidence.
    The only way this could possibly matter in the least is if Leath made his decision because he believes that Palo raped the girl. Leath's decision may have been based on things that happened that are not disputed by either party. We simply don't know all that went on that evening, and we don't know which of Palo's actions were considered for Leath's decision.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    As a 22 year old male I find it patronizing to categorize serious sexual assault allegations as a "mistake by a kid" or anything of the sort. We know what we should be doing.
    No you don't.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindingAway View Post
    If the question is - should Bubu appeal? Heck yeah if appealing is an option. Why wouldn't he? He doesn't have much to lose at this point.
    If he is absolutely innocent of any wrong doing, then it would seem he has nothing to lose. If there is the slightest doubt at all about his innocence, then he would be a complete fool to drag this out any longer.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    In the grand scheme of things a kid with good character and some class wouldn't bother appealing this decision. He would accept the decision that was made and understand that dragging this out further would be a distraction to the program, his former coach, his former teammates, and it would also continue to keep a story alive in the media that has been a black eye for the university. It's time for Bubu to take a step back, look at the big picture, and do the right thing which would be to simply move on.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoCubsGo View Post
    Finally, a voice of reason in this thread. Do the rest of you really think Leath made a flippant decision because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day? He is both a trained research scientist and an administrator who rose through the ranks by demonstrating good judgment again and again. I'm sure he carefully reviewed all the available evidence, talked to the university's legal advisors, and considered the outcomes of all possible options. That process is probably why this decision took so long.
    Is it likely that Leath made this decision knowing full well that it would probably be appealed to the BOR, then? If Bubu appeals and gets reinstated, then Leath will have been able to dump this mess on someone else and reasonably defend his decision by citing university policy. Or if the dismissal is held up by the BOR, then Leath looks good for making a tough call and having the full support of the BOR behind him. He wins either way.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    I have no problem holding student athletes to higher standards.



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