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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    If he were my son, I'd be taking him out to the woodshed.
    yes, he would have already been taken to the woodshed. having this on your transcript however should be avoided if possible.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Yes, he should appeal. This school did him a disservice.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    The normal reaction would be lawyering up.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    I guess I didn't even realize this was an option. Hell yes he should appeal. I don't think ISU needs to be getting into the business of being the moral police. We aren't BYU.




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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    My vote is for appeal, I've had wrongful accusations (not for rape) against me and it sucks. This shouldn't hold him back.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    yes, he would have already been taken to the woodshed. having this on your transcript however should be avoided if possible.
    What would be on his transcript from this?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Clearly, the evidence was not adequate to conclude that the events rose to the level of criminal or an ISU student code violation.
    There are two different standards of proof. How does he know what the evidence shows?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CapnCy View Post
    Except his "mistake" was a very big error in judgement.

    I'm all for second chances and such, but also for consequences. He will still be able to get a degree.

    I get that charges were dropped and that is the legal side of things, but President Leath still has the ability to determine who is representing our university.
    There is a convicted felon in the current football team who has been allowed to represent ISU. Bubu was not convicted of any crime(charges were dismissed). Is ISU using double standards please tell me?



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    I think it was an error to kick Bubu off the team, especially when the accuser fabricated evidence (the reason the case was dropped). That said... i think at this point its best just to move on.



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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    I smell lawyer money.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    We don't know everything, but I do have a problem with the fact that criminal charges were dropped against him in this matter largely because the "victim" falsified evidence and lied, yet the university then decides that somehow Bubu still did something wrong. I just have my doubts that every "representative of the University" has all that clean of a record.

    Unless he personally has some reason not to, I think he should appeal. The appeal process is there for a reason.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    This is a slippery slope here and we don't have all of the information available to arrive at an informed opinion. Did the alleged victim fabricate evidence? Yes. Is it still possible that a crime took place? Yes. Is it possible that the alleged victim fabricated the evidence to make certain her alleged attackers were not going to get away with this alleged crime? Yes. Was there other evidence that the prosecuting attorney had but didn't feel was strong enough to get a conviction? We don't know. There is so much to this story we don't know it just seems to me that Leath did the responsible thing (maybe he knows more then we do) and protected the University and those associated with it.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by CapnCy View Post
    Except his "mistake" was a very big error in judgement.

    I'm all for second chances and such, but also for consequences. He will still be able to get a degree.

    I get that charges were dropped and that is the legal side of things, but President Leath still has the ability to determine who is representing our university.
    So what if he made an error in judgment???? The only relevant issue is whether his actions violated criminal laws or the student code of conduct. Nothing else matters. The prosecutor, a position I have held in the past, made a decision that the evidence was not sufficient to constitute a criminal violation. The student board which reviewed the evidence concluded the evidence was insufficient to constitute a student conduct violation. That is the point of the article. I think he should definitely appeal to the Board of Regents.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryburn View Post
    We don't know everything, but I do have a problem with the fact that criminal charges were dropped against him in this matter largely because the "victim" falsified evidence and lied, yet the university then decides that somehow Bubu still did something wrong. I just have my doubts that every "representative of the University" has all that clean of a record.
    I don't see how the fact that the criminal charges were dropped is particularly relevant here. Leath's decision isn't a matter of law, it's a matter of university policy, and the law and university/AD policy are not synonymous. For example, as far as I know, cheating on a test given in a typical university class is not against the law, but if you are caught cheating, the university can take certain actions against you.

    As you said, we don't know what happened, but there may have been things done and stipulated to that violate university/AD policy, and Leath has decided that these actions warrant Palo not being on the MBB team. Leath doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to intentionally antagonize the AD and MBB head coach. In fact, he seems just the opposite.


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    Re: Should Bubu appeal President Leath decision to the BOR?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    This is a slippery slope here and we don't have all of the information available to arrive at an informed opinion. Did the alleged victim fabricate evidence? Yes. Is it still possible that a crime took place? Yes. Is it possible that the alleged victim fabricated the evidence to make certain her alleged attackers were not going to get away with this alleged crime? Yes. Was there other evidence that the prosecuting attorney had but didn't feel was strong enough to get a conviction? We don't know. There is so much to this story we don't know it just seems to me that Leath did the responsible thing (maybe he knows more then we do) and protected the University and those associated with it.

    Finally, a voice of reason in this thread. Do the rest of you really think Leath made a flippant decision because he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that day? He is both a trained research scientist and an administrator who rose through the ranks by demonstrating good judgment again and again. I'm sure he carefully reviewed all the available evidence, talked to the university's legal advisors, and considered the outcomes of all possible options. That process is probably why this decision took so long.



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