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    Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Was in the news recently the pipeline here was going to quit carrying non-ethanol 87 octane and start delivering 84 octane, boosted to 87 with ethanol. Some estimate this could raise the price of 87 octane fuel by 30-40 cents (not to mention it will no longer be non-ethanol.)

    I rolled into my favorite BP station this morning and found their 87 octane now has an ethanol sticker on it but there has been no price spike yet. I suspect the sticker was placed there in anticipation of the change but it may not have actually occurred yet.

    Just wondered what opinions were on this. I'm a pretty devoted non-ethanol user in my car. Do you give in and start using the E10, which in the past for me has meant a 10-15% reduction in fuel economy, or shell out an additional 30-40 cents for premium fuel?



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Start using E10 and take the hit.


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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    I think it sucks. More and more cars (turbo and supercharged) are requiring 91+ octane and ethanol causes issues with a lot of classic cars, motorcycles, boats, etc. I think ethanol is a joke on so many levels.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    I'd rather see less ethanol, not more.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    I always try to run the 87 octane in my car and premium in the bike.


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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    I use the 89 E-10 stuff.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Buy a diesel. Your mileage will go up 30%. Of course, you'll be completely hosed over the games the refiners are playing with diesel prices, but such is life in the USA.

    The move above doesn't surprise me. The refiners can make more money exporting finished diesel and gasoline, so using more ethanol domestically frees up more gasoline for export.

    Check out the graphs below. "Total Distillate" is distillate fuel oil, which is diesel.

    Weekly U.S. Exports of Finished Motor Gasoline (Thousand Barrels per Day)
    Weekly U.S. Exports of Total Distillate (Thousand Barrels per Day)

    You can look at more graphs here...
    U.S. Imports & Exports


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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Skeptical that E10 would give a 10-15% drop. Most studies show far less of a drop.

    I'm not seeing an issue here.


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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    I have ethical problems with ethanol on multiple levels, so try to avoid E10. However, when the price gap gets to that 30-40 cent range, that $5-6 per tank adder gets me.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Was in the news recently the pipeline here was going to quit carrying non-ethanol 87 octane and start delivering 84 octane, boosted to 87 with ethanol. Some estimate this could raise the price of 87 octane fuel by 30-40 cents (not to mention it will no longer be non-ethanol.)
    Was there any explanation why they would do something that would raise the price? Not doubting you, just seems like there's got to be more to the story.

    The whole ethanol thing really confuses me and why Iowa handles it so much different than other states. In a lot of states outside of Iowa it's nearly impossible to find 87 octane without ethanol and it's always cheaper than the higher octanes.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by JBone84 View Post
    I have ethical problems with ethanol on multiple levels, so try to avoid E10. However, when the price gap gets to that 30-40 cent range, that $5-6 per tank adder gets me.
    And I thought my ethics were cheap.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    Skeptical that E10 would give a 10-15% drop. Most studies show far less of a drop.

    I'm not seeing an issue here.
    I calculate my gas mileage for every fill-up. On the times when I have burned a tank of E10, I find myself right in range of the 10% drop in mpg.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    And I thought my ethics were cheap.
    I have my weak moments, but don't always succumb.



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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    And I thought my ethics were cheap.
    Don't go selling yourself short now.


    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: Non-ethanol fuel getting harder to find

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Was in the news recently the pipeline here was going to quit carrying non-ethanol 87 octane and start delivering 84 octane, boosted to 87 with ethanol. Some estimate this could raise the price of 87 octane fuel by 30-40 cents (not to mention it will no longer be non-ethanol.)

    I rolled into my favorite BP station this morning and found their 87 octane now has an ethanol sticker on it but there has been no price spike yet. I suspect the sticker was placed there in anticipation of the change but it may not have actually occurred yet.

    Just wondered what opinions were on this. I'm a pretty devoted non-ethanol user in my car. Do you give in and start using the E10, which in the past for me has meant a 10-15% reduction in fuel economy, or shell out an additional 30-40 cents for premium fuel?
    Also, I'm fairly certain the price spike you mention will be for NON-ETHANOL 87 octane. E10 87 octane will be significantly cheaper. I doubt many stations will carry it.


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