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    The Team is Young....

    I could be way off base here but maybe the experience of our players is more of a factor than originally thought. Don't get me wrong, just like everybody else I didn't think the play calling was very good. I also think Rhoads is still the perfect man for the job. Not every year is awesome for any coach(except Saban).

    That being said, think about this. Of our 5 offensive lineament at the end of the game, they were:

    1. Rs Jr-Jacob Gannon
    2. Rs So-Oni Omoile
    3. Rs So/Jr-Jamison Lalk/Ben Loth
    4. Rs Fr-Daniel Burton
    5. Rs So-Brock Dagel

    We played a good part of the game with 3 freshman and a sophomore after Tuftee got benched. Gannon being the only upper classman with any experience(Loth was the other Jr but had never played).

    Not to mention:

    1. QB-Rs So-Richardson
    2. WR-Rs So-Bundrage
    3. WR-Rs So-Ecby
    4. WR-Rs Fr-Daley
    5. RB-Rs So-Nealy
    6. RB-Jr-Wimberly(2nd D1 game)

    Maybe I am too much of an optimist and it's not an issue. But maybe age/experience has more to do with it than I realized. Makes me really excited for the coming years.

    Like I said, maybe I am crazy. Just a thought.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    being young is no excuse



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by CP44 View Post
    I could be way off base here but maybe the experience of our players is more of a factor than originally thought. Don't get me wrong, just like everybody else I didn't think the play calling was very good. I also think Rhoads is still the perfect man for the job. Not every year is awesome for any coach(except Saban).

    That being said, think about this. Of our 5 offensive lineament at the end of the game, they were:

    1. Rs Jr-Jacob Gannon
    2. Rs So-Oni Omoile
    3. Rs So/Jr-Jamison Lalk/Ben Loth
    4. Rs Fr-Daniel Burton
    5. Rs So-Brock Dagel

    We played a good part of the game with 3 freshman and a sophomore after Tuftee got benched. Gannon being the only upper classman with any experience(Loth was the other Jr but had never played).

    Not to mention:

    1. QB-Rs So-Richardson
    2. WR-Rs So-Bundrage
    3. WR-Rs So-Ecby
    4. WR-Rs Fr-Daley
    5. RB-Rs So-Nealy
    6. RB-Jr-Wimberly(2nd D1 game)

    Maybe I am too much of an optimist and it's not an issue. But maybe age/experience has more to do with it than I realized. Makes me really excited for the coming years.

    Like I said, maybe I am crazy. Just a thought.
    I agree with you. This year could be really bad if we don't figure some things out really quick. But the cupboard is not bare at all IMO. And we have some serious studs coming in next year too, if we can keep them. Lazard, Montgomery, and Mister are all gamebreaking type players IMO. And don't forget guys like Campos either.

    Over on HN I had to respond to some idiots over there saying how losing last night will set ISU back to the old days again where we're just going to get stomped on every year now. They said we have no talent whatsoever on our entire roster and we'll basically never be any good again.

    I just had to remind them of the same thing you're saying here. We have a lot of good young talent, and more on the way IMO. We just need the coaches to develop them and put them into position to succeed IMO.

    We will be beating Iowa again very soon IMO. Possibly even next year, but definitely by the time the series comes back to Ames in 2 years. We will be really good in 2 years IMO.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    They are young. No debating it. I'm really sick of pushing things off on age, though. Rhoads talks about the talent we keep increasing. I want to see it. His comments about the youth of the team in his presser last night rubbed me the wrong way.


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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by CP44 View Post
    I could be way off base here but maybe the experience of our players is more of a factor than originally thought. Don't get me wrong, just like everybody else I didn't think the play calling was very good. I also think Rhoads is still the perfect man for the job. Not every year is awesome for any coach(except Saban).

    That being said, think about this. Of our 5 offensive lineament at the end of the game, they were:

    1. Rs Jr-Jacob Gannon
    2. Rs So-Oni Omoile
    3. Rs So/Jr-Jamison Lalk/Ben Loth
    4. Rs Fr-Daniel Burton
    5. Rs So-Brock Dagel

    We played a good part of the game with 3 freshman and a sophomore after Tuftee got benched. Gannon being the only upper classman with any experience(Loth was the other Jr but had never played).

    Not to mention:

    1. QB-Rs So-Richardson
    2. WR-Rs So-Bundrage
    3. WR-Rs So-Ecby
    4. WR-Rs Fr-Daley
    5. RB-Rs So-Nealy
    6. RB-Jr-Wimberly(2nd D1 game)

    Maybe I am too much of an optimist and it's not an issue. But maybe age/experience has more to do with it than I realized. Makes me really excited for the coming years.

    Like I said, maybe I am crazy. Just a thought.
    Actually, I prefer the optimism to the pessimism. When looking at this team realistically, I never had especially high expectations, partially due to the point youre making in this thread. I think age, maturity, or lack of it, has a lot to do with our early struggles. I can acknowledge that it often seems like people talk about "tomorrow" all too often, but I still think next year will be good, and 2015 will be really good. At that point, we will be a veteran team. And if we aren't, it will mean we've acquired some young studs who overtook the upperclassmen. Either would be fine by me as long as the Ws are coming.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by Daserop View Post
    being young is no excuse
    its not an excuse but it sure as hell is part of the reason.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by CP44 View Post
    I could be way off base here but maybe the experience of our players is more of a factor than originally thought. Don't get me wrong, just like everybody else I didn't think the play calling was very good. I also think Rhoads is still the perfect man for the job. Not every year is awesome for any coach(except Saban).

    That being said, think about this. Of our 5 offensive lineament at the end of the game, they were:

    1. Rs Jr-Jacob Gannon
    2. Rs So-Oni Omoile
    3. Rs So/Jr-Jamison Lalk/Ben Loth
    4. Rs Fr-Daniel Burton
    5. Rs So-Brock Dagel

    We played a good part of the game with 3 freshman and a sophomore after Tuftee got benched. Gannon being the only upper classman with any experience(Loth was the other Jr but had never played).

    Not to mention:

    1. QB-Rs So-Richardson
    2. WR-Rs So-Bundrage
    3. WR-Rs So-Ecby
    4. WR-Rs Fr-Daley
    5. RB-Rs So-Nealy
    6. RB-Jr-Wimberly(2nd D1 game)

    Maybe I am too much of an optimist and it's not an issue. But maybe age/experience has more to do with it than I realized. Makes me really excited for the coming years.

    Like I said, maybe I am crazy. Just a thought.
    With it all laid our like that, we are younger than I imagined. And being young is a valid argument.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    They are young. No debating it. I'm really sick of pushing things off on age, though. Rhoads talks about the talent we keep increasing. I want to see it. His comments about the youth of the team in his presser last night rubbed me the wrong way.
    I can see where you're coming from, however, you have to admit, considering the recruits that we bring in (2 and 3 star) guys, that age and experience are certainly factors in this program's success or lack thereof.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    If your team is "young" in year 5 you either:

    Were terrible at identifying talent in years 1-3 or
    Did a good job identifying talent in years 1-3 but are incapable of developing talent.

    Neither is a good thing.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    If your team is "young" in year 5 you either:

    Were terrible at identifying talent in years 1-3 or
    Did a good job identifying talent in years 1-3 but are incapable of developing talent.

    Neither is a good thing.
    I agree and don't really think it matters in the secondary or at offensive skill positions. I will give them a little break on the Oline because Dika and Tuftee should be crushing the middle and allowing guys to develop but they either aren't there. At LBer you lost Pavlenko, Morgan, Mattison, Bennett and Smith. I've never recruited so I don't know if you can identify things that will tip off guys leaving but it happened so here we are.


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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    If your team is "young" in year 5 you either:

    Were terrible at identifying talent in years 1-3 or
    Did a good job identifying talent in years 1-3 but are incapable of developing talent.

    Neither is a good thing.
    Its no longer a matter "if". We are young, for whatever reason that may be. So you stand solid in saying that Rhoads, nor his staff, can identify talent OR, that they haven't developed the talent they've brought in? I just don't know if its so black and white, personally.



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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    If your team is "young" in year 5 you either:

    Were terrible at identifying talent in years 1-3 or
    Did a good job identifying talent in years 1-3 but are incapable of developing talent.

    Neither is a good thing.

    It's a big problem. There's a big miss in there somewhere that looks to have led to a significant talent gap now.

    I like to think that there's talent out there. It would help if someone, regardless of their age, would step up and show it.


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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Quote Originally Posted by FanatiClone View Post
    I can see where you're coming from, however, you have to admit, considering the recruits that we bring in (2 and 3 star) guys, that age and experience are certainly factors in this program's success or lack thereof.
    Oh certainly. I said it's not an excuse. It's a reason we aren't good on the Oline. The linemen we brought in, I'm sure were intended to be used as 4th and 5th year guys, not 2nd and 3rd. It all makes sense, I'm just sick of hearing about it.


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    Re: The Team is Young....

    Injuries make a team young and have nothing to do with development of recruiting.




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