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    Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    At this point, I think it's fair to start reading into Rhoads' comments regarding the offense and Messingham's performance. There were two distinct messages in the Iowa postgame:

    1. On at least two occasions, and for the second game in a row, Rhoads very clearly singled out playcalling as a contributing factor in the offensive struggles. He spoke specifically on rhythm and needing to have the ability to think ahead multiple plays and even series with a progressive game plan. But...
    2. Rhoads quickly dismissed the idea of stripping Mess of his playcalling duties.

    So what is the overall message at this point? I don't think there is any doubt that Rhoads is frustrated with Mess and the offense. You don't single out playcalling as often as he has over two games without having some serious concerns. That said, he's clearly trying to send the message without throwing Mess entirely under the bus at this point, and understandably so.

    I think the real question is whether Rhoads would ever consider stripping mess of his playcalling duties mid-season. That's something we don't know yet about Rhoads. I'm not worried that he has unconditional loyalty for anyone on his staff. Rhoads did demote a good friend in Bliel when he felt the offensive line needed an overhaul. But offseason coaching changes and in-season coaching changes are different animals.

    If Mess continues to prove that he's incapable of developing an intelligent and gameplan or adjusting to a defense, can we afford to delay any transition until the offseason, especially knowing how critical next season may be if 2013 continues on the same trajectory? I'd love to get inside Rhoads' head right now...



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Hard to say, but now Tulsa is a must win. Has to do something now.


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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Sometimes you just have to realize that something isn't working and a change needs to be made. Most of us have already come to that conclusion about the offense. He only two reasons I can think of why he wouldn't make the change now is he can't get anyone better until he offseason, or he's in denial. I honestly hope it's the former. But then again, don't we have the guy who ran the pistol at Nevada on our staff? Why not him?


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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    I think it was his way of saying I don't really like our QB or our OC - but I don't want to flat out attack either one as there is plenty of season left to go.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Sometimes you just have to realize that something isn't working and a change needs to be made. Most of us have already come to that conclusion about the offense. He only two reasons I can think of why he wouldn't make the change now is he can't get anyone better until he offseason, or he's in denial. I honestly hope it's the former. But then again, don't we have the guy who ran the pistol at Nevada on our staff? Why not him?
    Him or Sturdy. We have two guys who have done the job before.

    I get his point in reference to Texas firing Diaz that it can create instability during a season. So does going 0-12.
    I don't know if firing Mess fixes everything or not. I know that keeping him doesn't help. I know that people need to feel like things aren't going off a cliff, and making a change at least signals an effort (at least half desperate, but an effort) to right the ship.

    Make the announcement today. Thank Mess for the legitimate contributions he made. Maybe get him running special teams again. Whatever. Just get something started.


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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    What did Walden do in 1991?



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    If Mess is 100% committed to seeing this program strive, he will gladly hand over his play calling duties. But sometimes as a coach it is hard to admit it is YOUR fault that things aren't going the way you want it to go.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    I'm just happy he at least looked mad at the end of the presser this week instead of showing no emotion after UNI


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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyninety View Post
    What did Walden do in 1991?
    Not much?


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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by tyler24 View Post
    If Mess is 100% committed to seeing this program strive, he will gladly hand over his play calling duties. But sometimes as a coach it is hard to admit it is YOUR fault that things aren't going the way you want it to go.
    It's not cool to be a quitter in sports. Mess is not going to volunteer to hand over duties. Rhoads has to step in. Hire my grandma. She'll be as good and will do it for free.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by gogagig View Post
    It's not cool to be a quitter in sports. Mess is not going to volunteer to hand over duties. Rhoads has to step in. Hire my grandma. She'll be as good and will do it for free.
    Its not being a quitter IMO. You understand you aren't fit for a position and so you move. Mess is a good position coach and he should be just that. A good coach understands. I haven't done too much coaching in my life, just a year and it was only golf but when players were not hitting the ball well when I was telling them to do something, I looked to another coach for another opinion.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Sometimes you just have to realize that something isn't working and a change needs to be made. Most of us have already come to that conclusion about the offense. He only two reasons I can think of why he wouldn't make the change now is he can't get anyone better until he offseason, or he's in denial. I honestly hope it's the former. But then again, don't we have the guy who ran the pistol at Nevada on our staff? Why not him?
    I would be wary of attaching a lot of credit for Nevada's pistol offense to Klenakis - it was the head coach, Chris Ault, who invented and ran the thing. Maybe Klenakis was just along for the ride? Now, he did have some good years at Southern Miss as OC. Just wish our offensive line looked better under his coaching.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    I would be wary of attaching a lot of credit for Nevada's pistol offense to Klenakis - it was the head coach, Chris Ault, who invented and ran the thing. Maybe Klenakis was just along for the ride? Now, he did have some good years at Southern Miss as OC. Just wish our offensive line looked better under his coaching.
    I was wondering something about this when it comes to Klenakis. When Bleil was our O-line coach we recruited skinny kids and built up their frame. The two commits this year are very big kids. I wonder if he wants a different type of kid at O-line.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    If Rhoads changes anything my guess is he'll change play calling duties quitely, although that should be easy to figure out watching the game, or he'll wait until the end of the season. I think he knows there is a problem, just doesn't know how he wants to fix it yet.



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    Re: Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Not much?
    Actually he went 3-7-1 after wining 3,5,6, and 4 games in his first four years. Right now I would take 3-9 or 4-8 in a heartbeat, just don't see it happening.

    just a quick tidbit. This year has started exactly the same way the winless season of 94 did, with losses to UNI and Iowa.



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