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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    It happens all the time and now with all the radio communication available to everybody it will come out. As long as it is big money and alliances are formed it will happen. They need to be more secretive about it. It sucks, but has happen for years.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowgirl836 View Post
    MWR is a whole organization known for cheating - the jet fuel deal, stealing Roush's sway bar, and now this. I don't know how you can't call it cheating. They cheated Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon out of spots in the Chase. Yes, you can say well Ryan and Jeff should have done better throughout the year - but the same goes for Truex/Logano. Ryan drove a ****** car to the front of the field to get his spot. Jeff came from two laps down (on questionable caution calls, imo) to get his in.

    Truex and Logano "allegedly" had to get their entire team or multiple teams to give them spots/throw the race so they could get in. It was not the result of their own hard work. I did hear that Logano's teammate, Brad, wouldn't drop back a spot to give Joey a point. Good for him.

    I had to look this one up, not following nascar as closely anymore due to the constant rule changes to manufacture 'excitement'...and not to split hairs, but the substance was described as rocket fuel...I differentiate that because jet fuel is essentially kerosene and you'd have to be the dumbest race team ever to try that in your car as an advantage.

    Back to the original question, I don't know that I'd call it cheating, but I would call it what NASCAR called it, actions detrimental to the sport...and yes, I realize that's their catch-all that they fine everyone for, but I think it fits in this scenario.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    What did NASCAR expect? They created a artificial playoff in the sport where your one goal should be to win races. These guys get money for making the chase, so how can you blame them if they make a deal with a car in front of them if that is what they need to get in. Now, to be so obvious about is pretty freaking stupid. NASCAR should have said due to the events at the end of the race, we are going to put Newman and Gordon in the chase, everyone else stays in and let them sort it out.

    The chase has been stupid since its inception, and now that they finally fixed the points system they don't need it anymore. If you want to make it more exciting then it should be a year long event. You should get more points in certain races than in others, give more points for winning races. I know they have tried to fix it, but this is what you are going to get if you create this model.

    How I would fix NASCAR. The Sprint cup would be the over the year champion, accumulation of points throughout the year. Then have someone sponsor the last 10 races of the year and call that "company x cup" driver with the most points in those races wins. Then I would have sponsors for small 5 race cups throughout the year, let "Company y" choose 5 races it wants to sponsor a cup for, have a decent payout. You could do that 2 or 3 times. The rest of the races are run just like normal. Or have a sponsor of the restrictor plate tracks that sponsors the restrictor plate races and give an award for that, same with short tracks, and cookie cutter tracks. This would make the season much more interesting, and I think would also spice up the racing. If the guys new the big payout wasn't winning a stupid playoff that really doesn't reward the guy that has been best all year. Instead small awards are provided for 3 - 4 series throughout the year of 5 races, so winning in those races would be important. Then the last 10 races of the year you could do bigger award, and a nice award for winning the overall points.

    I understand why NASCAR did the chase, for years guys would run away with the cup 2/3 of the way through the season, but now you have 30 or so cars that drive for nothing for 10 races at the end of the season. Stupid. Get creative. It would be awesome to watch Keselowski and Busch battle for the short track cup sponsored by Viagra. They would kill each other and it would be awesome.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAlum05 View Post
    It's not cheating to pull your car in to the pits anytime you want. Was it cheating for Jr and Kahne to hang out behind Gordon when they could have passed him? They were effing dumb to make it so obvious on the radio, however. Remember when Gordon took Bowyer out of the Chase last year? Karma's a *****, huh?
    Love this post.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by buf87 View Post
    It happens all the time and now with all the radio communication available to everybody it will come out. As long as it is big money and alliances are formed it will happen. They need to be more secretive about it. It sucks, but has happen for years.
    EXACTLY. Guys pull over to led another guy lead and accumulate bonus points all of the freaking time. Why such an outrage over one teammate trying to help another teammate get into the freaking playoffs is beyond me.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmjh10 View Post
    Not necessarily cheating, but when you manipulate the outcome like that it makes it really close to cheating. Jimmie Johnson and his team are cheaters, this IMO, is not cheating. They knew they were not good enough to make it in on pure talent/ability. Im glad NASCAR punished them.
    Not cheaters IMO...The 48 team is just the best a pushing that gray area that I wrote about IMO...



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Given the announcers and past racers all said it was clearly deliberate attempt to get a team member into the chase, I don't know how you don't call it cheating.
    But teammates help each other out on the track all of the time...

    I'm fine with you opinion on this, but to me, it's crazy that all of the sudden people are figuring it out that this stuff goes on. I'd do the exact same thing if it means getting another one of my cars in the sport's playoffs! I don't see what is so wrong with that.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMWilliams View Post
    EXACTLY. Guys pull over to led another guy lead and accumulate bonus points all of the freaking time. Why such an outrage over one teammate trying to help another teammate get into the freaking playoffs is beyond me.
    Because it kept a poor Hendrick driver out. Waaaahhhh



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    I bet Dale Earnhardt wouldn't have been willing to pull this stuff. Cheating? No. Smart? Yes. ***** move? Yes.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Really surprised there have been zero "NASCAR LOL" posts so far. A soccer thread definitely wouldn't have made it this far.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Not one bit of this was cheating or against the rules. JJ caused a yellow to help Gordon, but no fire storm over that. This stuff has happened for a long time, but due to the blatantness of this, so comes the outrage.

    People now complaining Penske wanted a spot from Gilliland. This is nothing new.

    At first I was in favor of some penalty, but thought it should have been Bowyer out, Gordon in, Truex in, since Gordon got hurt from the pitting not Newman, and Truex didn't do a damn thing wrong. But the more I thought about it, I don't think anything should have been done. Nothing they did was against the rules.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    This will get subjective in the future. When somebody lets somebody by to lead a lap in the 7th race of the season, is that cheating?



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Is it cheating? No. But manipulating the results of not only a race, but the Chase participants should DEFINITELY be off limits. NASCAR responded harshly, as they should have.

    If NASCAR could prove Bowyer spun intentionally (which he did), I wonder what the penalties would have been. MWR got off lightly.

    This stuff has happened before and will happen again. Next time it will just be more secretive.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by buf87 View Post
    This will get subjective in the future. When somebody lets somebody by to lead a lap in the 7th race of the season, is that cheating?
    You make a really good point. NASCAR is fine with a choreographed lead change between teammates to get an extra point but brought the hammer down on intentionally letting a teammate pass in the final chase-race.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    If anyone thinks what happened is wrong, read this. Awesome take from Brian Vickers.

    Brian Vickers: No regrets, helping teammates within rules

    Sorry NASCAR, adding Gordon because "...believe Gordon deserves this in the effort of a fair playing field." is a crock. Throw Truex back in and let everyone settle it themselves.



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