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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    So they spun out on purpose to let someone else win?



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    So they spun out on purpose to let someone else win?
    sat on pit road for a couple laps, forcing a driver to make a green flag pit stop with single digit laps to go, ran 10 seconds slower than everyone else, purposefully let drivers pass them, possibly promised money/favors for spots given - I'm sure all the teams push the gray area, but some of these were just stupidly obvious. It's really amazing how some of these dips don't seem to realize that everyone can listen to their radio channel.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowgirl836 View Post
    sat on pit road for a couple laps, forcing a driver to make a green flag pit stop with single digit laps to go, ran 10 seconds slower than everyone else, purposefully let drivers pass them, possibly promised money/favors for spots given - I'm sure all the teams push the gray area, but some of these were just stupidly obvious. It's really amazing how some of these dips don't seem to realize that everyone can listen to their radio channel.
    The stuff you mention above has been going on for years. It probably happens multiple times in every race. My favorite is when a driver is cruising to an easy victory, and then a mysterious chunk of debris falls on the track with a few laps left requiring a caution and a late-race restart.

    Why does it matter if the attempt to manipulate the race is obvious or not? The moral outrage over what Bowyer did is comical and hypocritical, given how NASCAR and the majority of fans turn a blind eye to 99% of similar things that go on. Manipulating the race is manipulating the race. Either you punish them all, or you let them all go.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    MWR is a whole organization known for cheating - the jet fuel deal, stealing Roush's sway bar, and now this. I don't know how you can't call it cheating. They cheated Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon out of spots in the Chase. Yes, you can say well Ryan and Jeff should have done better throughout the year - but the same goes for Truex/Logano. Ryan drove a ****** car to the front of the field to get his spot. Jeff came from two laps down (on questionable caution calls, imo) to get his in.

    Truex and Logano "allegedly" had to get their entire team or multiple teams to give them spots/throw the race so they could get in. It was not the result of their own hard work. I did hear that Logano's teammate, Brad, wouldn't drop back a spot to give Joey a point. Good for him.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowgirl836 View Post
    MWR is a whole organization known for cheating - the jet fuel deal, stealing Roush's sway bar, and now this. I don't know how you can't call it cheating. They cheated Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon out of spots in the Chase. Yes, you can say well Ryan and Jeff should have done better throughout the year - but the same goes for Truex/Logano. Ryan drove a ****** car to the front of the field to get his spot. Jeff came from two laps down (on questionable caution calls, imo) to get his in.

    Truex and Logano "allegedly" had to get their entire team or multiple teams to give them spots/throw the race so they could get in. It was not the result of their own hard work. I did hear that Logano's teammate, Brad, wouldn't drop back a spot to give Joey a point. Good for him.

    I had to look this one up, not following nascar as closely anymore due to the constant rule changes to manufacture 'excitement'...and not to split hairs, but the substance was described as rocket fuel...I differentiate that because jet fuel is essentially kerosene and you'd have to be the dumbest race team ever to try that in your car as an advantage.

    Back to the original question, I don't know that I'd call it cheating, but I would call it what NASCAR called it, actions detrimental to the sport...and yes, I realize that's their catch-all that they fine everyone for, but I think it fits in this scenario.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    They didn't cheat, but they hurt the integrity of the sport. In a lot of peoples mind that's worse.(ex. Pete Rose)


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Not necessarily cheating, but when you manipulate the outcome like that it makes it really close to cheating. Jimmie Johnson and his team are cheaters, this IMO, is not cheating. They knew they were not good enough to make it in on pure talent/ability. Im glad NASCAR punished them.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmjh10 View Post
    Not necessarily cheating, but when you manipulate the outcome like that it makes it really close to cheating. Jimmie Johnson and his team are cheaters, this IMO, is not cheating. They knew they were not good enough to make it in on pure talent/ability. Im glad NASCAR punished them.
    Given the announcers and past racers all said it was clearly deliberate attempt to get a team member into the chase, I don't know how you don't call it cheating.

    Jimmy is a cheater? That's a bold statement. Waltrip racing has a questionable track record themselves. Boyer has a long history of taking Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson out of races.

    Frankly, I think they should let them settle it on the track. Let Jeff Gordon take out Bowyer in the next race, so Bowyer has no shot at the cup. To me, all this punishment stuff is what has ruined racing.

    I miss the days where it was acceptable to throw punches when lines were crossed, and bump and runs were acceptable, and taking a driver out, also acceptable.

    Settle it on the track.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Given the announcers and past racers all said it was clearly deliberate attempt to get a team member into the chase, I don't know how you don't call it cheating.

    Jimmy is a cheater? That's a bold statement. Waltrip racing has a questionable track record themselves. Boyer has a long history of taking Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson out of races.

    Frankly, I think they should let them settle it on the track. Let Jeff Gordon take out Bowyer in the next race, so Bowyer has no shot at the cup. To me, all this punishment stuff is what has ruined racing.

    I miss the days where it was acceptable to throw punches when lines were crossed, and bump and runs were acceptable, and taking a driver out, also acceptable.

    Settle it on the track.
    I don't know if I'd call Jimmie a cheater, but Knaus definitely pushes the boundaries harder than the other teams. This Chicago race will be quite interesting, especially if Gordon doesn't make it in (pending Logano penalties which have to happen after hearing the audio - I think it's even more obvious than the Vickers stuff). He will put Bowyer straight into the wall and not give a ****.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Given the announcers and past racers all said it was clearly deliberate attempt to get a team member into the chase, I don't know how you don't call it cheating.

    Jimmy is a cheater? That's a bold statement. Waltrip racing has a questionable track record themselves. Boyer has a long history of taking Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson out of races.

    Frankly, I think they should let them settle it on the track. Let Jeff Gordon take out Bowyer in the next race, so Bowyer has no shot at the cup. To me, all this punishment stuff is what has ruined racing.

    I miss the days where it was acceptable to throw punches when lines were crossed, and bump and runs were acceptable, and taking a driver out, also acceptable.

    Settle it on the track.
    I would consider it "cheating" if they had jet fuel, or had parts that could give them an unfair advantage. Thats why I said Jimmie is a cheater. I bet he has failed more pre and post race inspections than any other current driver.

    As for the punishment, I would love to see your solution come to life. I know it wont happen, but it would be nice.


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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    Given the announcers and past racers all said it was clearly deliberate attempt to get a team member into the chase, I don't know how you don't call it cheating.
    But teammates help each other out on the track all of the time...

    I'm fine with you opinion on this, but to me, it's crazy that all of the sudden people are figuring it out that this stuff goes on. I'd do the exact same thing if it means getting another one of my cars in the sport's playoffs! I don't see what is so wrong with that.



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    Re: Did Michael Waltrip Racing cheat?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmjh10 View Post
    Not necessarily cheating, but when you manipulate the outcome like that it makes it really close to cheating. Jimmie Johnson and his team are cheaters, this IMO, is not cheating. They knew they were not good enough to make it in on pure talent/ability. Im glad NASCAR punished them.
    Not cheaters IMO...The 48 team is just the best a pushing that gray area that I wrote about IMO...



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