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    Problems on defense

    Blame the secondary for missed tackles all you want, but 3 of our top 4 tacklers last night were defensive backs (Richardson, Washington, Rogers) and Brackens came in 2nd. None of our linemen registered more than 2 tackles and this is against an FCS O-Line. Imagine playing against Oklahoma. Our defensive backs missed tackles because they had to make the tackle 80% of the time. We can't let the other team's RB get to the second level untouched. This makes me question the Irving move to DT because they rushed all over us and nobody made a play from any position. Irving had one tackle. Albert Gary had one tackle. If our "best" D-lineman has as many tackles as one of our receivers, we're doing something wrong up front.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    Quote Originally Posted by AMarner32 View Post
    Blame the secondary for missed tackles all you want, but 3 of our top 4 tacklers last night were defensive backs (Richardson, Washington, Rogers) and Brackens came in 2nd. None of our linemen registered more than 2 tackles and this is against an FCS O-Line. Imagine playing against Oklahoma. Our defensive backs missed tackles because they had to make the tackle 80% of the time. We can't let the other team's RB get to the second level untouched. This makes me question the Irving move to DT because they rushed all over us and nobody made a play from any position. Irving had one tackle. Albert Gary had one tackle. If our "best" D-lineman has as many tackles as one of our receivers, we're doing something wrong up front.
    First of all our defensive scheme is not set up for Dline to make tackles. The DLine is entrusted with plugging up the line of scrimmage in order to allow the linebackers to make the plays. Rodney Coe and David Irving are not responsible for this poor defensive performance. This sits squarely on the linebackers not making plays and the defensive ends not having containment.

    Do not put false blame on Coe or Irving. If you don't understand how the defense works it would be best not to comment.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    On Johnson's 27 yard TD he was only touched by a D-Lineman, can't remember who, and nobody else touched him. That means there was a HUGE hole and that goes solely on the line. This "scheme" that you're describing only worked last year because of Knott and Klein. They're both gone and when the RB is getting to the LBs with a full head of steam and he's already gained 6 yards there's a problem with that. I don't blame the LBs nearly as much as a blame the Line.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    Quote Originally Posted by AMarner32 View Post
    On Johnson's 27 yard TD he was only touched by a D-Lineman, can't remember who, and nobody else touched him. That means there was a HUGE hole and that goes solely on the line. This "scheme" that you're describing only worked last year because of Knott and Klein. They're both gone and when the RB is getting to the LBs with a full head of steam and he's already gained 6 yards there's a problem with that. I don't blame the LBs nearly as much as a blame the Line.
    Dude......really? Blame on the 27 yard runs goes to both the linebackers and defensive ends, not the interior Dline. You really think last years "scheme" only worked because of Knott & Klein? You really don't know football.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    I was really disappointed in the LB's last night. George should be and probably is embarrassed. The group wasn't even missing tackles because they were getting juked, that RB could just run through the tackle or was fast enough to not even get touched. It was really blatant of how we will miss Klein and Knott making plays 8 - 12 yards down the field to prevent the 20 - 30 yard gain. This group does not seem capable of doing that. I am glad that the coaches were quick to pull the trigger and leave Luke Knott in their. He had some glimpses at least.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    Quote Originally Posted by cuphues View Post
    Dude......really? Blame on the 27 yard runs goes to both the linebackers and defensive ends, not the interior Dline. You really think last years "scheme" only worked because of Knott & Klein? You really don't know football.
    I apologize, I meant to be more blatant. Our scheme didn't "work" last year at all and now we don't have Knott, Klein or even Mcdonough to plug up the middle. We're undersized and UNI was able to create huge holes all night. They averaged 8.7 yards per carry and if you're saying that's more on the LBs to make plays than the DL I think you're crazy.

    Knott is a former DB. Brackens is a former DB. We're trying to stop the run with a defensive secondary + four D-linemen and Jeremiah George. You can't expect them to stop a good RB who has a full head of steam and it's a one on one open field situation.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    Quote Originally Posted by cuphues View Post
    First of all our defensive scheme is not set up for Dline to make tackles. The DLine is entrusted with plugging up the line of scrimmage in order to allow the linebackers to make the plays. Rodney Coe and David Irving are not responsible for this poor defensive performance. This sits squarely on the linebackers not making plays and the defensive ends not having containment.

    Do not put false blame on Coe or Irving. If you don't understand how the defense works it would be best not to comment.
    I don't expect Coe and Irving to make the tackles, but Knott and Klein weren't getting swallowed up by Olinemen like we were seeing last night. The dine needs to prevent those holes from forming and keep the blockers off the LBs.

    That being said, we missed a lot of tackles all over the field, not just the secondary. Most of UNIs big plays should have been stopped for short gains if we could just wrap up.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    We do need to get more of a push on the d-line, and linebackers need to be more active. In saying that multiple units had big missed tackles that may have been the difference in the game.



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    Re: Problems on defense

    Cousin and Aka. Where were they? Did I miss something?



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    Re: Problems on defense

    On numerous occasions the LBs (one in particular) simply misread the run and got swallowed in the scrum. That changed eventually but far too late. As a previous post mentioned, the tackling lanes were there..... but the tacklers were not.

    The issue with sub 220 lb LBs is that they can't afford to get caught by an OL or FB, they must react quicker and avoid and that did not happen last night. We may fare better against pass happy teams but run first teams will decimate us.

    Im most interested to see how the D adjusts to facing a far better OL in two weeks. Wally has on tough task at hand.


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    Re: Problems on defense

    With all due respect, that's overly simplistic. David Irving did not play well in any aspect of the game last night; he wasn't holding the line of scrimmage on run plays and I watched in amazement on a pass play as he got knocked back three yards! If the guard had taken him any further, we might have gotten an illegal lineman down-field penalty call! Irving had a really horrible game...


    Jensen wasn't much better; he either stood straight up on the snap or immediately burrowed low and got buried. Is that how he's supposed to plug up the line of scrimmage? I saw ZERO push from him...


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