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    Problem is style of offense...

    The problem is the style of offense we run, always has been, always will be until they change. You have to be able to go under center when needed. You need to play action from under center. You need to give Woody a full head of steam before he gets the ball in his arms... Its just a terrible philosophy and it doesnt make any logical sense for us or our talent. Copy Stanford. Under center, shotgun, no huddle, huddle... you can do it all. If you need to power run from under center 40 times do it. If you need to pass out of shotgun do it.

    The worst part is we are in a up tempo offense that doesnt snap the ball up tempo... WTF.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    The problem isn't the style. Over the last 25 years ISU has ran every style of offense, yet still struggled to win and struggled on offense, more often than not. When ISU was at its best on offense they blocked well, had an identity and had a few things they did very well and ran them a lot. This offense has no identity. The scheme would work well if they would find something that works do it well and stick with it.


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    The problem isn't the style. Over the last 25 years ISU has ran every style of offense, yet still struggled to win and struggled on offense, more often than not. When ISU was at its best on offense they blocked well, had an identity and had a few things they did very well and ran them a lot. This offense has no identity. The scheme would work well if they would find something that works do it well and stick with it.
    This. No offensive style has consistently worked at Iowa State, and no offensive style will until first you find a coach that can call plays effectively and second get better talent at all positions.


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    This. No offensive style has consistently worked at Iowa State, and no offensive style will until first you find a coach that can call plays effectively and second get better talent at all positions.
    Or make adjustments.


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    What we have is an offensive coordinator problem. If the head coach cannot see this, then we also have a head coach problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tedcyclone View Post
    The problem is the style of offense we run, always has been, always will be until they change. You have to be able to go under center when needed. You need to play action from under center. You need to give Woody a full head of steam before he gets the ball in his arms... Its just a terrible philosophy and it doesnt make any logical sense for us or our talent. Copy Stanford. Under center, shotgun, no huddle, huddle... you can do it all. If you need to power run from under center 40 times do it. If you need to pass out of shotgun do it.

    The worst part is we are in a up tempo offense that doesnt snap the ball up tempo... WTF.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    the worst thing last night would have been Sam even closer to their d line.
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    but yeah, play calling was awful. why were 95% of pass plays 5 yarders? that last drive was the cherry on top.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    the worst thing last night would have been Sam even closer to their d line.
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    but yeah, play calling was awful. why were 95% of pass plays 5 yarders? that last drive was the cherry on top.
    Is their not plays in the play book that has WRs run a 10 yard route?


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    The problem isn't the style. Over the last 25 years ISU has ran every style of offense, yet still struggled to win and struggled on offense, more often than not. When ISU was at its best on offense they blocked well, had an identity and had a few things they did very well and ran them a lot. This offense has no identity. The scheme would work well if they would find something that works do it well and stick with it.
    What is that?


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    I thought our offense was ok. Our d looked like it was playing 11 on 8 however. I blame my hangover on the defense.


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

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    What is that?
    Running the RBs outside the tackle. Last year they did well when the QB passed the ball to a TE. Over the middle passing plays. Instead they run to the middle and pass outside.


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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    I'm also getting sick of play calling, especially on 1st downs. Everybody knows that on every first down its going to be a run up the middle which ends up gaining 1 yard at best and turns into a wasted down. The other problem I noticed was the OL, they can't seem to block anybody either for a run or a pass



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tedcyclone View Post
    The problem is the style of offense we run, always has been, always will be until they change. You have to be able to go under center when needed. You need to play action from under center. You need to give Woody a full head of steam before he gets the ball in his arms... Its just a terrible philosophy and it doesnt make any logical sense for us or our talent. Copy Stanford. Under center, shotgun, no huddle, huddle... you can do it all. If you need to power run from under center 40 times do it. If you need to pass out of shotgun do it.

    The worst part is we are in a up tempo offense that doesnt snap the ball up tempo... WTF.
    I'm curious, why do you think teams have been going away from the traditional under center, I-formation/pro-style offenses to the shotgun spread? ISU is not the only team that has done this, and the trend nationally has been for teams to go to the spread. It's even spreading to the NFL now. Also, what would you say about the fact that Iowa still goes under center often, but their offense might be even worse than ours?

    The point I am trying to make is that a change in offensive style is not a cure for all problems on the offense.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Someone mentioned last night. No creativity. When Woody is in the game on short-yardage, guess what the play is? Maybe Mess is just setting up the world's best play-action call? After two years of giving it to him, Mess will finally call play action and Sam can pick from any open receiver he wants. Because the whole defense guesses Woody is getting it.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    I'm curious, why do you think teams have been going away from the traditional under center, I-formation/pro-style offenses to the shotgun spread? ISU is not the only team that has done this, and the trend nationally has been for teams to go to the spread. It's even spreading to the NFL now. Also, what would you say about the fact that Iowa still goes under center often, but their offense might be even worse than ours?

    The point I am trying to make is that a change in offensive style is not a cure for all problems on the offense.

    People arent totally going away from it. Its called Pro Style, it give the ability to go under center in short yardage and in shotgun when you want to..

    The problem being we run an up tempo style with zero tempo! We arent snapping the ball fast and getting decisive plays called and keeping the d on their heels.. they own us and we are easy to stop.



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    Re: Problem is style of offense...

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    Running the RBs outside the tackle. Last year they did well when the QB passed the ball to a TE. Over the middle passing plays. Instead they run to the middle and pass outside.
    the middle guys were open!!!either sam didnt have time or chose not to throw there...



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