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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    According to reports, he was suspended not for a direct violation of any bylaw, but for violating the "spirit" of a certain bylaw. So the NCAA normally justifies its rulings on have very clear, black and white rules, and is now extending their rules to include "but you really should have known better"? What a joke. If you can't pin it on the kid, let him play. If you can pin it on him, go after him.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    I would agree with that - I'd bet that since the NCAA has no subpoena power, and speculate that A&M really didn't cooperate, the NCAA begged the school to give him something...even 1/2 a game. I'd also bet Penn State is kicking themselves for commissioning the Freeh report...
    Quote Originally Posted by MNclone View Post
    What I would have given to be a fly on the wall in the room that they decided on 1/2 game. Such an odd penalty.
    Yeah, this is the weirdest ruling I think I have seen, and they have had some strange ones.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    According to reports, he was suspended not for a direct violation of any bylaw, but for violating the "spirit" of a certain bylaw. So the NCAA normally justifies its rulings on have very clear, black and white rules, and is now extending their rules to include "but you really should have known better"? What a joke. If you can't pin it on the kid, let him play. If you can pin it on him, go after him.

    Maybe only half a spirit.


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Aggie "honor code"? Pass the mason jar.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Please end the charade. Did anyone really expect something more meaningful?



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    This is incredibly odd - which is only fitting as this entire situation/investigation has been weird. Why punish him at all? I mean, a half of football against a team they should beat by 50? They should already have the 2nd string team in at half.

    What coach (other than Rex Ryan) would put his star QB (term used loosely for Jets QBs) and Heisman winner in behind a 2nd string unit?

    I guess we'll find out if A&M does that, sits him or keeps the starters in just so Manziel can play.

    I don't have it in for this kid, but this suspension is just ******* stupid.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    The joke is the NCAA did not do more digging.
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    But the problem all along has been the fact the NCAA can't subpoena anything of the Nate guy's. He technically isn't an agent, but appears to be more of a strawman. I imagine they funnelled any money through him, knowing the NCAA can't touch him.
    So if the NCAA can't subpoena anything or anybody, what exactly would have been the point of digging any further?

    In any of these NCAA violation cases where there is no clear evidence or individuals willing to come forward, all the parties involved have to do is to deny any wrong-doing and keep their stories straight between them, and nothing will happen. The NCAA has no power to subpoena documents that could contradict the answers given to the NCAA investigators, and they don't have to power to compel outside individuals to give any statements.

    If you look back at things like the SMU death penalty, the Reggie Bush/USC incident, tOSU/Tressel incident, the only reason the NCAA was able to do anything in those cases was because some of the individuals involved talked to the NCAA and gave evidence.

    The inability of the NCAA to seriously investigate these things is is never going to change unless something radical happens, like, for example, a federal law being passed that makes the payments to players prohibited by the NCAA rules actually illegal. Perhaps the law would give investigative authority to the NCAA, who could then subpoena witnesses and documents. Another thing that would have to happen would be for the professional sports leagues to institute meaningful bans on players found to have broken the NCAA rules (i.e. a current pro player found to have violated the NCAA rules is immediately banned for a given amount of time, and a college player found to have violated the rules cannot join the professional leagues for a given amount of time).

    Neither of these things is likely to ever happen, so the NCAA will continue to run around with potency similar to that of a steer sent out to service the herd...


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    I'd also bet Penn State is kicking themselves for commissioning the Freeh report...
    Different situation. The issues at Penn State involved matters of criminal law, for which a legal authority could have issued subpoenas for witnesses and evidence. The TAMU/Johnny FB incident didn't involve issues of criminal law (or at least didn't appear to). PSU was just trying to get ahead of the inevitable criminal investigation.


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Different situation. The issues at Penn State involved matters of criminal law, for which a legal authority could have issued subpoenas for witnesses and evidence. The TAMU/Johnny FB incident didn't involve issues of criminal law (or at least didn't appear to). PSU was just trying to get ahead of the inevitable criminal investigation.
    A "criminal law" investigation is something totally different than the Freeh report, which is why I referenced it. Freeh investigators had no subpoena power; no one testified under oath (so no threat of perjury if lying). Worse, witnesses were allowed to speak anonymously, which would never be allowed in any legal proceeding. Same with the NCAA. I'd bet memorabilia collectors clammed up, and the NCAA was basically powerless.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Listen to the explanation on the actual video. lol (with Hassle).

    Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M Aggies suspended for 1st half of season opener against Rice Owls - ESPN

    basically, they suspended him .5 games as he should have known not to sign things people can make money off of later. What a joke.
    Maybe he can sign some notes the first half in the backroom.


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Not going to read through all the replies......but Lucca Staiger probably got less money from that "pro" team he played for across the pond than Manziel did from the autograph collectors.



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    A "criminal law" investigation is something totally different than the Freeh report, which is why I referenced it. Freeh investigators had no subpoena power; no one testified under oath (so no threat of perjury if lying). Worse, witnesses were allowed to speak anonymously, which would never be allowed in any legal proceeding. Same with the NCAA. I'd bet memorabilia collectors clammed up, and the NCAA was basically powerless.
    I know that the Freeh report was not a criminal investigation, and I never said it was. My point was that the underlying alleged violation in the PSU case was criminal, where in the Manziel case it wasn't, which is why they are different situations.

    Pedophilia/sexual abuse == criminal violation
    Signing autographs for money != criminal violation


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Two pro football leagues in America now?



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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    Texa$ A&M & $EC

    What a joke, he obviously did something wrong since they are suspending him. This is such a disgrace for the NCAA. Penn State players got punished worse than this for something they had absolutely no involvement in. ******* joke.


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    Re: Johnny Manziel suspended for half

    I thought it was half a season at first, which made me think they had evidence he got paid. But half a game, seriously, against Rice? That's nothing, which since they have no evidence, seems about right.



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