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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Well the article said kingland is already on talks with large retail businesses for that space, which does not sound good for small*business
    But that could help anchor other small businesses located throughout Campustown. Campustown is in desperate need of some TLC.



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Well the article said kingland is already on talks with large retail businesses for that space, which does not sound good for small*business

    Hmm..I'm generally for this kind of thing, but this seems to include the old Chamberlain building on the corner. This was just extensively remodeled 7 years ago (not to mention the city insisted on the owners spending a butt-load more money on the renovations to maintain the historical integrity). Kind of interesting that less than 10 years down the road they OK just leveling the whole thing and putting in some cookie-cutter commercial space.

    Maybe I just read the report wrong though, I'd be all for demolishing the rest of those buildings.




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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by westlbcyclone View Post
    Architecture/Engineering people care to step in and give a quick rundown to this "step-back" requirement?
    From what I understand(very basics) after Legacy and Cyclone Plaza( both go straight up all the way) went up the city put in regulations that require floors 3 and above to step back from the first two. Trying to stay away from the skyscraper "walled-in" feel. Kingland wants to do 3 stories and already has everything engineered for no step back. Since it's only three floors it sounds like it will probably pass. Also, I vaguely remember hearing Legacy was actually built after the ordinance went in to effect, but they got around it some how by how they classified the floors. Could definitely be wrong about that.



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by RayShimley View Post
    Hmm..I'm generally for this kind of thing, but this seems to include the old Chamberlain building on the corner. This was just extensively remodeled 7 years ago (not to mention the city insisted on the owners spending a butt-load more money on the renovations to maintain the historical integrity). Kind of interesting that less than 10 years down the road they OK just leveling the whole thing and putting in some cookie-cutter commercial space.

    Maybe I just read the report wrong though, I'd be all for demolishing the rest of those buildings.
    Well, the previous owners of the building, the Champlins, sold the buildings for $1.5 million, so I'd say they made out decent. They kind of brought the issues with the remodel on themselves too. When a building is in that bad of shape, you don't know what you're going to find until you do it.



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by DSMCy View Post
    I was reading the ISD article and the president of GSB is making it sound like this project is destroying Campustown.
    Campustown revision - Iowa State Daily: News
    How do you get "making it sound like this project is destroying Campustown" from "At the same time, Spencer Hughes, president of GSB, sent a letter to the Ames City Council on Sunday requesting that the council delay action on the agenda items dealing with the Kingland project in order to give students more time to voice their opinions on the changes." That's literally the only mention of the GSB president in the story ... asking the city for time for the students to voice their opinions. Considering it's the first week of classes and students are just now back on campus, that seems like a logical request. It's certainly not claiming the project is "destroying Campustown."

    The Facebook page, yeah, that's a political science student with a cause, I grant you that.

    (In the interests of openness, why yes, I am related to the GSB president. Why do you ask? )



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by Bader View Post
    Just imagine if someone put a Walgreens or CVS right near Campustown...THE HORROR. Seriously, it can't be as worthless as a not bong shop
    I agree. Something like cvs that would drive traffic to the area would help other stores. My question was just if they were strictly looking at established chains to fill the space. I could care less what direction they go



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey View Post
    Well, the previous owners of the building, the Champlins, sold the buildings for $1.5 million, so I'd say they made out decent. They kind of brought the issues with the remodel on themselves too. When a building is in that bad of shape, you don't know what you're going to find until you do it.
    Right, I'm not saying the Champlins are victims or anything. I just think it's an odd change of stance by the city in terms of "historical preservation". You sound like you know more about what happened than I do, but I remember the owners of that building ******** about having to keep the original floors and ceilings and some other things due to the "historical" nature of the building. But then again, they may have just been ******** for the sake of ********.




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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by RayShimley View Post
    Right, I'm not saying the Champlins are victims or anything. I just think it's an odd change of stance by the city in terms of "historical preservation". You sound like you know more about what happened than I do, but I remember the owners of that building ******** about having to keep the original floors and ceilings and some other things due to the "historical" nature of the building. But then again, they may have just been ******** for the sake of ********.
    I know one of the plumbers that worked on the remodel. He said it was a nightmare and it had nothing to do with the city. Very poorly planned, managed and funded. They basically didn't know what they were doing and it took something like 6 months longer than they had planned, hence the extensive costs. Then of course, they didn't know how to run the business after it opened. I'm sure they were happy to sell after all of that. The current bar should look into moving into the empty bar where Chasers was.



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by KidSilverhair View Post
    How do you get "making it sound like this project is destroying Campustown" from "At the same time, Spencer Hughes, president of GSB, sent a letter to the Ames City Council on Sunday requesting that the council delay action on the agenda items dealing with the Kingland project in order to give students more time to voice their opinions on the changes." That's literally the only mention of the GSB president in the story ... asking the city for time for the students to voice their opinions. Considering it's the first week of classes and students are just now back on campus, that seems like a logical request. It's certainly not claiming the project is "destroying Campustown."

    The Facebook page, yeah, that's a political science student with a cause, I grant you that.

    (In the interests of openness, why yes, I am related to the GSB president. Why do you ask? )
    Yep you got me. I think I was mixing the FB comments with the ISD article. Tell your brother/son/nephew/cousin that I'm sorry


    I do agree that the students should have some say but I'm definitely in the group that thinks a CVS or Walgreens would be great. Possibly add in some local businesses or places to grab lunch; this could be a great project for Ames in general.



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    this isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I've heard they are moving Yokes to a bigger place. Jeff's is staying, which is good.My question is, why are people getting mad now?

    This has been in the works for awhile, why didn't the students step up earlier in the process? That group on facebook aren't the only people that want kingland to not remodel, but making a group to put attention to this on august 25, 2 days later is a vote from the ACC about a tax incentive.

    To summarize, if the students think they would have made a difference, they should have spoke up awhile ago. Pretty much too late now.bad quality pic of what it'll look like.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&type=1&ref=nf


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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash View Post
    this isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I've heard they are moving Yokes to a bigger place. Jeff's is staying, which is good.My question is, why are people getting mad now?

    This has been in the works for awhile, why didn't the students step up earlier in the process? That group on facebook aren't the only people that want kingland to not remodel, but making a group to put attention to this on august 25, 2 days later is a vote from the ACC about a tax incentive.

    To summarize, if the students think they would have made a difference, they should have spoke up awhile ago. Pretty much too late now.bad quality pic of what it'll look like.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&type=1&ref=nf
    Mind expanding on this? To a new new building? Existing building?



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    The rendering looks good, imo. I think it goes without saying that campustown has been in need of some renovation\redevelopment for a long time. The main concern would be that it still needs to be a student area and an entertainment district first, and not forced to be a 'something for everyone' kind of area like the last developer tried to do. A hotel would be good. Complete redevelopment of the block west of welch and south of lincoln way could be good, provided it was done with the entertainment\students in mind.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    The rendering looks good, imo. I think it goes without saying that campustown has been in need of some renovation\redevelopment for a long time. The main concern would be that it still needs to be a student area and an entertainment district first, and not forced to be a 'something for everyone' kind of area like the last developer tried to do. A hotel would be good. Complete redevelopment of the block west of welch and south of lincoln way could be good, provided it was done with the entertainment\students in mind.
    Funny, that is what the first developer wanted to do. Raze the the area west of welch and build a hotel. Which would have been a great change. The comic book nerds were the loudest opposition to that project. I've been to a lot of other college campus-towns and the better ones have been places where there is something for everyone. I'm not sure how or why that is a bad thing. People like me don't patronize campustown businesses because it is mainly student oriented. I'm sure business owners would love to have more business from non-students. But then again, what do I know?

    Also, an FYI to the youngsters, the old Peoples/Yokes building used to be a drug store before it was a bar. And students at ISU still had a good experience with campustown. Imagine that!



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    Re: Kingland Systems update

    Quote Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash View Post
    this isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. I've heard they are moving Yokes to a bigger place. Jeff's is staying, which is good.My question is, why are people getting mad now?

    This has been in the works for awhile, why didn't the students step up earlier in the process? That group on facebook aren't the only people that want kingland to not remodel, but making a group to put attention to this on august 25, 2 days later is a vote from the ACC about a tax incentive.

    To summarize, if the students think they would have made a difference, they should have spoke up awhile ago. Pretty much too late now.bad quality pic of what it'll look like.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&type=1&ref=nf
    Because 90% of them didn't know anything about it because they don't follow along with the things going on in the area until someone at the Daily tells them they need to be upset. Then they assemble with the same 90% having no idea whats going on in general. I'm not a student anymore and may hit CT once or twice a year tops, so I don't have any skin in the game, but having a Walgreens or something similar there when I was living in Cyclone Plaza would have been awesome. Beyond awesome actually and it would be accessible to much of campus as well as all of the housing right around Campustown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ribsnwhiskey View Post
    Funny, that is what the first developer wanted to do. Raze the the area west of welch and build a hotel. Which would have been a great change. The comic book nerds were the loudest opposition to that project. I've been to a lot of other college campus-towns and the better ones have been places where there is something for everyone. I'm not sure how or why that is a bad thing. People like me don't patronize campustown businesses because it is mainly student oriented. I'm sure business owners would love to have more business from non-students. But then again, what do I know?

    Also, an FYI to the youngsters, the old Peoples/Yokes building used to be a drug store before it was a bar. And students at ISU still had a good experience with campustown. Imagine that!
    There are plenty of other areas in ames for everyone. Campustown should be a student\entertainment area first, and thats what lane4 seemed to be failing to do. The hotel was the only good part of that. Trying to shoehorn in the types of grocery\retail that have never succeeded on welch and pushing out bars? Not a good idea. Now if you razed the whole block and brought in investors to bring a new class of bars (along with other entertainment... a mini power and light might be interesting), then you might have a concept that would work.



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