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    How good has our defense really been?

    Interesting article: Comparing advanced college football stats to traditional stats: Defense edition - Football Study Hall

    ISU shows up twice on the top 25 positive variance list (where the F/+ ranking was far better than the traditional, total defense (yards allowed) statistic. 47th in F/+ in both 2011 and 2012. Not a great, top 10 ranking, but much better than the 95/94 that total defense shows. Playing agains some of the best offenses makes decent defenses look bad. I think it also shows that the bend-don't-break scheme is a good strategy in our league.


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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    The only defensive stat that really matters is how many points are given up and we've been pretty good at that so far during CPR's era. If we can get some offensive output and still maintain a good scoring defense, things will be looking up.


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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Do they adjust for your offensive issues too? Our defense has not been given the assistance that it needs in that regard.



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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Keep points off the board and I'm happy.



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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Keep points off the board and I'm happy.
    this. love me some turnovers but I really hope the offense does more to keep our D off the field this year.



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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Damn good a lot of the time. It is crazy to think how many games we have lost simply because our offense could not do anything.



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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Quote Originally Posted by wxman1 View Post
    Damn good a lot of the time. It is sickening to think how many games we have lost simply because our offense could not do anything.
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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    The weird part is, we had a much better defense (top half of the conference) before they started dropping like flies.




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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    The weird part is, we had a much better defense (top half of the conference) before they started dropping like flies.
    The loss of Knot, and Watson where pretty glaring last year. Hopefully there will not be huge dropoffs this year when someone needs to come out.



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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Quote Originally Posted by dunar View Post
    Interesting article: Comparing advanced college football stats to traditional stats: Defense edition - Football Study Hall ISU shows up twice on the top 25 positive variance list (where the F/+ ranking was far better than the traditional, total defense (yards allowed) statistic. 47th in F/+ in both 2011 and 2012. Not a great, top 10 ranking, but much better than the 95/94 that total defense shows. Playing agains some of the best offenses makes decent defenses look bad. I think it also shows that the bend-don't-break scheme is a good strategy in our league.
    Not too surprising that we languish in the 90s for yardage allowed with our anemic offense for quick three and outs, faster B12 pace and more total plays, elite passing spread offenses, and being a BCS school where we do not have to play several teams better than us nonconference. Not surprising at all. Burnhams have been excellent for our team.


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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    Quote Originally Posted by jay moe View Post
    The only defensive stat that really matters is how many points are given up and we've been pretty good at that so far during CPR's era. If we can get some offensive output and still maintain a good scoring defense, things will be looking up.
    I would add a caveat of tempo -- points per possession. If your offense stinks and you allow the other team 10 drives but they only score 30 points, that's good despite the number of points. if your offense stinks but manages to eat the clock up and the other team only gets 4 drives and scores 28 points . . . Well you get the idea (I hope).


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    Re: How good has our defense really been?

    I think that Knott and Klein covered up a lot of mistakes the past few years. The D has been good, but never great. Of course it didn't help that the O was downright awful at times. With even an average offense, ISU would have won a bunch more games.



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