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    Big Four Tournament?

    This is getting brought up again by Lickliter, and honestly I've been for this thing from the beginning. I'd schedule the ISU/Iowa game on Friday Night at 8:00, the UNI Drake game at 6:00, then have Iowa play UNI, and ISU play Drake on Saturday, and then flip flop on Sunday. I think this would be a lot of fun every year.

    What are other people's thinking on this?



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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    where would it be played? it would be lots of travel for many teams if played on home courts.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    I agree. I think it would be a great event at Wells and would they could share the revenue. They could sell all session tickets and then it would create a bigger pool of money that the schools could share.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    No way it happens...

    The Drake AD was on this morning saying her team likes playing in the Knapp Center and that although she hasn't looked at the numbers Drake probably loses money on this.

    Pollard has also stated that he's not for losing a home game by playing in Des Moines after the OSU and Bradley games the past two seasons.

    Plus Drake and UNI already play each other twice with the possibility of a third in the conference tournament. Doubt they would want to play 4 times in a season.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    i completely agree i got excited by just reading the idea.



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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    I heard the Drake AD say that they would rather not do this on Cotler this am. $ reasons. They would rather get the revenue for the games that are held there. Kept saying, we like to play at the Knapp Center after every question.

    Wells was brought up for location.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    3 games in 3 days? Physically, tired bodies are more prone to injuries, and strategically, this gives little time to prepare for the opponent. I don't like it...at all. There would probably be some pretty ugly BB on the third day...


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    Quote Originally Posted by psycln11 View Post
    No way it happens...

    The Drake AD was on this morning saying her team likes playing in the Knapp Center and that although she hasn't looked at the numbers Drake probably loses money on this.

    Pollard has also stated that he's not for losing a home game by playing in Des Moines after the OSU and Bradley games the past two seasons.
    I could see the pros and cons but I think it would be very interesting to see the actual financials on this. Drake and UNI have smaller stadiums so the revenue is limited - not to mention they only play at home every other year. Why not play at Wells and have the potential for a lot more revenue? I realise the couldn't tie the tickets into season tickets then but maybe something could be worked out so season ticket holders get a big discount on the tournament tickets or something?


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    Can you even play another team in your conference without having it count against conference standings? That will be the big problem, well I guess they could count the DM game as the UNI @ Drake game.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I could see the pros and cons but I think it would be very interesting to see the actual financials on this. Drake and UNI have smaller stadiums so the revenue is limited - not to mention they only play at home every other year. Why not play at Wells and have the potential for a lot more revenue? I realise the couldn't tie the tickets into season tickets then but maybe something could be worked out so season ticket holders get a big discount on the tournament tickets or something?
    How much does Wells take as a cut? That would be a big factor in revenue projections for the schools. Isn't that why ISU quit having games there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I could see the pros and cons but I think it would be very interesting to see the actual financials on this. Drake and UNI have smaller stadiums so the revenue is limited - not to mention they only play at home every other year. Why not play at Wells and have the potential for a lot more revenue? I realise the couldn't tie the tickets into season tickets then but maybe something could be worked out so season ticket holders get a big discount on the tournament tickets or something?
    Except the year that Drake plays at Iowa, they host ISU. They would lose a home game if this happened.

    Same goes for UNI.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    Well, if it is in DesMoines forget about it. Who in their right mind honestly thinks it is a good idea to give up home games at Hilton? We couldn't even beat OSU or Bradley at Wells and I think both games would have been W's at Hilton.



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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    3 games in 3 days? Physically, tired bodies are more prone to injuries, and strategically, this gives little time to prepare for the opponent. I don't like it...at all. There would probably be some pretty ugly BB on the third day...
    Like we did last year in the Cyclone Challenge?

    Well, if it is in DesMoines forget about it. Who in their right mind honestly thinks it is a good idea to give up home games at Hilton? We couldn't even beat OSU or Bradley at Wells and I think both games would have been W's at Hilton.
    Aren't we giving up home games at Hilton in the first place by going on the road every other year? I'd rather it be on a neutral court - there would honestly be more ISU fans there by far creating a better home court advantage for us.

    As far as the UNI/Drake thing, it would have to be a super early conference game. That is the only real way to make it fair in my opinion - otherwise we'd have to do something like ISU/Iowa on Friday, and then have our guys play three games while UNI and Drake's only play 2 days in a row. Huge disadvantage then.



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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    An option that might work...

    Friday night - Iowa State vs. Drake, Iowa vs. UNI
    Sunday - Iowa State vs. UNI, Iowa vs, Drake

    Leave the Iowa State vs. Iowa as a home/away. for another day either the week before or after.

    Allows UNI and Drake to maintain their home/away conference schedule.

    Try it for two years such that Iowa and Iowa State each lose the "home" game vs. Drake and UNI and vice versa.


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    Re: Big Four Tournament?

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    Like we did last year in the Cyclone Challenge?
    Cyclone Challenge: UC Riverside, Louisiana Monroe, Eastern Illinois...

    Big 4: Iowa, UNI, Drake...

    I think the latter would be significantly more challenging, both physically and strategically, than the former. The latter have been rather having their way with the Clones as of late. I think it would be wise to play Iowa, UNI, and Drake will full preparation until ISU is a top-25 program...

    I'd be curious to hear what GMac thinks about playing Iowa, UNI, and Drake on consecutive days...


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