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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Am I the only one who finds it odd/ironic that News Reporters are calling Vick a "team leader"/voice of reason in this situation/story?.?.?


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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    It's a little different because that word is specifically demeaning to a specific group of people whereas the f-word for example is just a general swear word, but same principal.
    The n-word is no longer demeaning in certain circumstances. If it is said by a certain race with a soft ending, it's not demeaning, but if it's said by a different race with a hard ending, it's demeaning. I have an African-American friend who coaches youth FB in a poor area of the Metroplex. He's had to mitigate dust-ups between African-American parents over confusion about whether the n-word was used colloquially or in a derogatory manner.

    As Al_4_State said, it's completely ridiculous.


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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    The only mind numbing thing about this is that people are somehow shocked and surprised that some hillbilly cracker in a sleeveless shirt dropped an N-bomb at a country music concert of all places.
    Thats exactly what i was thinking....well beyond the racist remark of the hillbilly cracker and all...

    Anyhow, i thought a very similar thing...The incident took place at a Country Concert, you had a would be redneck (obvious features with Sleeveless Button up shirt) and you have a black security guard. What preceded the confrontation, what was the exchange before you see Cooper....who knows what was being said there....

    May not justify the word....but it could have been used in retaliation.....maybe not....

    Now would anybody be surprised if this happened: Famous Black music artist performing, young upstart black athlete is told by fat white security guard that he couldnt go backstage, alcohol is involved.....how you think that situation plays out.....probably no different, just different words....a really stupid mentality with circumstances.

    Just reported on Yardbarker....Cooper stepping away from Eagles for a while.....



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    The n-word is no longer demeaning in certain circumstances. If it is said by a certain race with a soft ending, it's not demeaning, but if it's said by a different race with a hard ending, it's demeaning. I have an African-American friend who coaches youth FB in a poor area of the Metroplex. He's had to mitigate dust-ups between African-American parents over confusion about whether the n-word was used colloquially or in a derogatory manner.

    As Al_4_State said, it's completely ridiculous.
    It's not that ridiculous that words have different meanings and connotations depending on how and when they're used.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    Thats exactly what i was thinking....well beyond the racist remark of the hillbilly cracker and all...

    Anyhow, i thought a very similar thing...The incident took place at a Country Concert, you had a would be redneck (obvious features with Sleeveless Button up shirt) and you have a black security guard. What preceded the confrontation, what was the exchange before you see Cooper....who knows what was being said there....

    May not justify the word....but it could have been used in retaliation.....maybe not....

    Now would anybody be surprised if this happened: Famous Black music artist performing, young upstart black athlete is told by fat white security guard that he couldnt go backstage, alcohol is involved.....how you think that situation plays out.....probably no different, just different words....a really stupid mentality with circumstances.

    Just reported on Yardbarker....Cooper stepping away from Eagles for a while.....
    Really?

    As a registered Caucasian who knows plenty of other white folks, I've never come across anyone that has been offended by the word 'cracker'. It just doesn't happen.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    The kind of language used in movies and music and on tv today would shock someone from 50 years ago, not even including the use of the n-word.
    You mean like these lyrics?

    Sittin' in the living room on the floor
    Hunger pain got me on some migraine ****
    But I'm a maintain
    Nigga got two or three dollars to my name
    And my homies in the same boat going through the same thing

    Ready for the caper, steady plottin' for the paper
    We been livin' in the dark since April
    On the candle,
    gotta get a handle
    My homie got a twenty-five automatic added to the gamble
    Nigga get the phonebook look up in the Yellow Page
    Lemme tell you how we finna to get paid
    We gonna order pizza and when we see the driver
    We gonna stick the twenty-five up in his face

    Let's ride, steppin' outside like warriors
    Head to the notorious Southside

    One weapon to the four of us
    Hidin' in the corridor until we see the Dominos car headlights
    White boy in the wrong place at the right time
    Soon as the car door open up he mine
    We roll up quick and put the pistol to his nose
    By the look on his face he probably ******* in his clothes
    You know what this is, it's a stick up
    Gimme the dough from your pickups
    You ran into the wrong niggas
    We runnin' down the block hot with these pizza boxes

    So we split up and met back at the apartment

    Artist: DEAD PREZ
    Song: HELL YEAH

    BTW - i know this song because my daughters have listened to it when they have friends over...they know every word....i asked if they ever listened to what they were sayin....

    They say...not really!!!


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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    I can't decide where I come down on this. On one hand, I would imagine that "word" has become a part of the lexicon in an NFL locker room. I'm sure its used to the point where people become desensitized to its "meaning" and it has become colloquial. I know that race scholars wouldn't agree with me, but it seems a bit ridiculous to use the word as casually as many African American people do, and then to be so outraged when a white person uses it, but who am I to judge.

    On the other hand, the way in which he used the word was ugly. This wasn't used in a colloquial fashion. Saying he will "fight every _______ here" is ugly and it is demonstrative of the usage of word that gives it the nasty connotation it has today.
    I think it's because black people aren't using it with a negative connotation. Riley Cooper sure seemed to be using it with a negative connotation.

    EDIT: I guess you said that in your 2nd paragraph. Carry on .


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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Got a feeling Cooper is going to take some hard hits this year. There will probably be some angry LBs just waiting for him to run a slant.

    Hardest thing for him is going to be regaining the respect of his teammates.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    Just reported on Yardbarker....Cooper stepping away from Eagles for a while.....

    This would seem to indicate that there is more going on than just a one-time only use of a word closely associated with racism.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    Got a feeling Cooper is going to take some hard hits this year. There will probably be some angry LBs just waiting for him to run a slant.

    Hardest thing for him is going to be regaining the respect of his teammates.
    This is surely the main reason he is stepping away from the Eagles. I think he could stick with the Eagles AND get counseling at the same time. It's not like it's rehab. He's gotta be stepping away to let any simmering tensions cool. I'm sure a lot of teammates would be fine with it, but there are probably a couple that get caught up in the heat of the moment like Riley did.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    Got a feeling Cooper is going to take some hard hits this year. There will probably be some angry LBs just waiting for him to run a slant.

    Hardest thing for him is going to be regaining the respect of his teammates.
    Players always try and hit you hard in the NFL. If they try a cheap shot, fine, they will just receive a fine.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    It's not that ridiculous that words have different meanings and connotations depending on how and when they're used.
    I'd say it's ridiculous when two people from the same community and race, and of similar age and background get into fights because they can't determine whether the use of a word in common conversation is derogatory or not.


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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    I'd say it's ridiculous when two people from the same community and race, and of similar age and background get into fights because they can't determine whether the use of a word in common conversation is derogatory or not.
    Disagreements over something someone said that was possibly taken wrong? That's still not that shocking.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    It's not that ridiculous that words have different meanings and connotations depending on how and when they're used.
    This is dead on. Certain words, in society have double meaning, depending on the situation.
    In this case the boundaries are pretty clear, if you are using the word in question addressing somebody you do not know, you probably are looking to degrade and humiliate.

    The guys was upset, felt he was above following the rules, did not want to physically assault the guy, so resorted to the worst thing he could think of verbally.



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    Re: Philly WR Cooper racial slur and McCoy's reaction

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    I think it's because black people aren't using it with a negative connotation. Riley Cooper sure seemed to be using it with a negative connotation.
    Ok, so then the outrage is about his statement that he is going to beat up every person of a certain ethnicity. Are we made he used the word, or are we mad about the threats? Because I stand by my point that it is unfair to use the word in a completely colloquial manner, but then to feign outrage when someone else uses. But yes, word or no word, it is unacceptable to threaten to beat up people because of their race.



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