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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Des Moines is the 72nd largest metropolitan area in the United States.

    If my count is correct, the smallest metro with a Big Four franchise is Oklahoma City, which comes in at #46. (No, Green Bay doesn't count.)

    And OKC is aided by the fact that the #54 sized metro is just an hour and a half away (Tulsa). Cedar Rapids (#117) is the Tulsa to Des Moines' OKC. So the math just doesn't work at all.

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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    I'm sure this list is incomplete but let's list the professional (minor) teams in DSM right now.

    DSM Menace
    DSM Bucs
    Iowa Stars
    Iowa Energy
    Iowa Cubs

    So in DSM, a region with roughly 500,000 people you have 5 teams, one for every 100,000 people.

    Now let's look at the Twin Cities as a comparison.

    Twins
    Vikings
    Wild
    Wolves
    Thunder
    Saints
    Lynx
    Swarm

    In the TC you have 3.4 million. So that's one teams for every 425,000 people even including the "small" teams like the Lynx, Swarm, Saints, and Thunder.

    I wish DSM could get a pro soccer team but in reality I know the DSM market is way too saturated as it is. Iowa has too many teams for the total population. Hell, even MN only has one affiliated baseball team. I think we have
    5. I LOVE how Iowans support their college teams. I LOVE that our players bleed cardinal and gold and don't move because someone offered a bigger contract. I want support to remain with them.
    You forgot the Iowa Wild. I know, I know...... Hockey?


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFan61 View Post
    Des Moines is the 72nd largest metropolitan area in the United States.

    If my count is correct, the smallest metro with a Big Four franchise is Oklahoma City, which comes in at #46. (No, Green Bay doesn't count.)

    And OKC is aided by the fact that the #54 sized metro is just an hour and a half away (Tulsa). Cedar Rapids (#117) is the Tulsa to Des Moines' OKC. So the math just doesn't work at all.

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    Actually, I think Buffalo at #50 (pop. 1.2 mil) is the smallest based on that list, but they are also fairly close to Toronto, so point taken.



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Billionaires buying playthings will probably insure that it never happens but the NBA could truly be a global (and podunk town) league. Just no use of the word "corn" in the franchise name, please.



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    I miss the Chops



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    WNBA or MLS would be the only two that even make sense as a long shot dream.



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFan61 View Post
    Des Moines is the 72nd largest metropolitan area in the United States.

    If my count is correct, the smallest metro with a Big Four franchise is Oklahoma City, which comes in at #46. (No, Green Bay doesn't count.)

    And OKC is aided by the fact that the #54 sized metro is just an hour and a half away (Tulsa). Cedar Rapids (#117) is the Tulsa to Des Moines' OKC. So the math just doesn't work at all.

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    This. Teams in the twin cities are frequently referred to as "small market teams." If #15 is a small market, what's #72?



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Now let's look at the Twin Cities as a comparison.

    Twins
    Vikings
    Wild
    Wolves
    Thunder
    Saints
    Lynx
    Swarm

    In the TC you have 3.4 million. So that's one teams for every 425,000 people even including the "small" teams like the Lynx, Swarm, Saints, and Thunder.

    Actually, Lynx is not a small team - the average attendance is about 8k, which is a good size plus from what I've seen people are paying to get good seats instead of coming because of free tickets. Not sure about Swarm. Saints are definitely small - it was never intended to be big - people just want to have fun. Thunder attracts about 1-2k - hard to attract people when they play so far away in the northern burbs (except this Spring where they play in the dome) plus it's NASL - not MLS level soccer.



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Very, very, very little chance. Population is too small and because of that, there isn't the corporate sponsorship that is needed (which is really the deal breaker for DM).

    Selfishly as ISU fans, we should want BCS level sports to be the biggest game in the state. We dont' need competition from major league level pro sports competing for the attention, time, and dollars of our modest 3 million people.

    Some suggest soccor is a maybe, but the big problem there is there is no place to play. The Menace couldn't find any city in the metro interested to go in with Kum & Go and build even a modest stadium. I find it really difficult to believe there would be any support for financing a soccer stadium as I'm assuming like every other sport, MLS owners expect cities to help build their facilities. That doesn't seem likely.


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    I'm sure this list is incomplete but let's list the professional (minor) teams in DSM right now.

    DSM Menace
    DSM Bucs
    Iowa Stars
    Iowa Energy
    Iowa Cubs

    So in DSM, a region with roughly 500,000 people you have 5 teams, one for every 100,000 people.

    Now let's look at the Twin Cities as a comparison.

    Twins
    Vikings
    Wild
    Wolves
    Thunder
    Saints
    Lynx
    Swarm

    In the TC you have 3.4 million. So that's one teams for every 425,000 people even including the "small" teams like the Lynx, Swarm, Saints, and Thunder.

    I wish DSM could get a pro soccer team but in reality I know the DSM market is way too saturated as it is. Iowa has too many teams for the total population. Hell, even MN only has one affiliated baseball team. I think we have
    5. I LOVE how Iowans support their college teams. I LOVE that our players bleed cardinal and gold and don't move because someone offered a bigger contract. I want support to remain with them.
    Corrections:

    You're two AHL franchises behind - It is Iowa Wild now. Also missing Iowa Barnstormers.


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    The time for a town in Iowa to get a major league franchise is in the early years when the league and sport are miserably unpopular. Think about the small towns in OH/PA or nearby in the early years of the NFL. Or the tiny eastern towns that had NBA teams when the league was irrelevant. People rewrite the history to make it seem like the desperate years were fun or romanticized when its really just an unpopular sport and lousy business model.



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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by TRZA View Post
    The time for a town in Iowa to get a major league franchise is in the early years when the league and sport are miserably unpopular. Think about the small towns in OH/PA or nearby in the early years of the NFL. Or the tiny eastern towns that had NBA teams when the league was irrelevant. People rewrite the history to make it seem like the desperate years were fun or romanticized when its really just an unpopular sport and lousy business model.
    You'd think, but that doesn't assure we'd have a team either...

    The Waterloo Hawks were a National Basketball League and National Basketball Association team based in Waterloo, Iowa. The Hawks remain the only sports franchise ever based in Iowa from any of the Big Four Leagues
    Waterloo Hawks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    Corrections:

    You're two AHL franchises behind - It is Iowa Wild now. Also missing Iowa Barnstormers.
    Also you failed to include the Valkyrie in your TC list.

    Minnesota Valkyrie - Legends Football League

    In all seriousness, they will probably go under shortly.

    I believe that each of Des Moines, St. Paul and Minneapolis have their own Roller Girl leagues. It's surprising how many fans the leagues up here have.


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    If you look closely, a certain famous ISU coach played for Waterloo...

    Wooeee, Coach. That was a dinger!


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    Re: Major Professional Sports Team in Iowa

    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcityguy View Post
    Very, very, very little chance.



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