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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrods79 View Post
    I don't see a "number of people" on this thread that think that. Assuming that you are referring to my posts, that is a gross generalization of what I was saying. We don't have a "QB controversy"...that's great, don't want that...but we supposedly have two "good" QB's that are real close to each other. I was merely pointing out that given how close the two are, I would prefer our backup QB have more than garbage time this year. Everyone just seems to assume without the "QB controversy" tag line, that it means Sam will never leave the game.
    I don't necessarily disagree with your comments but I think the hope is that if Sam plays to his potential he will be playing good enough that CPR won't have to consider pulling him out of the game unless we are taking the opponent behind the woodshed and kicking their ***.

    Having continuity on offense is something that ISU has not had the luxury of for several years now and a lack of consistent play at the QB position is the reason for that. Jantz played great in the Baylor game but was mediocre to poor in his other starts. JB played solid against TCU but was mediocre to poor in his other starts. Sam was lights out against KU and played solid against West Virginia in difficult conditions. I think he deserves a free pass for the bowl game under the circumstances of his illness. Having 3 different QB's start in 1 season is not a sign that QB play was a source of strength for ISU last year.

    For ISU to have the success on the field we all want them to have they need consistency at QB so the offense can sustain some momentum. Each time they pulled a switch at QB it was like watching the offense start from scratch again. This idea of playing multiple QB's to get a kid experience prior to garbage time is what coaches do when the season is in the dump. It isn't what coaches do when they are competitive and trying to win football games. QB competitions are for spring practice, getting a young kid experience is what practice and scrimmages are for, and fall is for playing the kids that are going to win you football games.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    I guess what I was also saying is that the converse is also true - not having a QB competition does not necessarily mean that you will be set at QB. It could mean that you have a subpar QB and a bunch of terrible ones. To be clear, I don't think that is the case here.

    I also should have clarified that my comment was directed more at those that seemed to be implying that if the coaches had just picked one and stuck with him even when he struggled that everything would have been just fine - that most of the QB problems were simply because the coaches couldn't make a decision. A competition may not be great for a QB's confidence but the lack of one is not going to turn an inadequate or inconsistent QB into a quality D1 QB.


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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsag View Post
    Then I guess Northwestern's Coach P. Fitzgerald is a "crazy guy". He has used (over the past 4 years) a two quarterback rotation that has driven opposing teams in the Big Ten nuts. He situationally uses Kain Colter (running QB) and Trevor Siemian (passing QB) all the time. I have certainly not watched alot of NW's games; but, the ones that I have watched, NW's offense runs smoothly (whoever is QBing).
    Drove nebby up the wall in the past...especially last year.


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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    I think in our case lack of QB controversy is a good thing.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    I don't give Sam a pass for being sick during the bowl game. Go back and watch the replay and try to find something that indicates that he is sick. It didn't keep him from making a bunch of good plays. I think the problem was more with the line and the gameplan. We weren't as bad in that game as I thought before watching the replay. And I don't think Sam was as bad as all the talk about being sick makes it sound.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrods79 View Post
    I don't see a "number of people" on this thread that think that. Assuming that you are referring to my posts, that is a gross generalization of what I was saying. We don't have a "QB controversy"...that's great, don't want that...but we supposedly have two "good" QB's that are real close to each other. I was merely pointing out that given how close the two are, I would prefer our backup QB have more than garbage time this year. Everyone just seems to assume without the "QB controversy" tag line, that it means Sam will never leave the game.
    Um, no. Backups play garbage time frequently. We just don't have much garbage time. That's good (not getting blown out) and bad (not blowing teams out).

    Who plays garbage time has nothing to do with QB battle. Unrelated.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    My Opinion is that we stick with one guy until he loses the job or the other guy does enough to come take it from him.

    If GR want meaningful game time then I think he has this upcoming camp and 12 game weeks and the additional bye weeks to take it from Sam. If he cant do it in practice then I guess he will have to live with that.

    I dont get the mindset that "what if our backup is better?" I mean they run the same drills and the same plays in practice. Hell I bet even a certian number of the reps with the #1 Offense goes to the back-up. Earn it there. I guess I for one am perfectly fine "not knowing" what GR can do in real game scenario's as long as Sammy is doing OK.

    If Sam takes every single meaningful snap this year I will be elated. That will mean #1 he is and has been healthy all year #2 He hasnt struggled (or at least not enough to make the staff think that someone esle gives them a better shot to win).

    Im perfectly fine with either of these guys leading ISU. For God's sake pick one and stick with him, if you need to make a switch midway through the season then IMO be confident enough to turn over the team to him for the rest of the year for better or for worse.

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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    I don't give Sam a pass for being sick during the bowl game. Go back and watch the replay and try to find something that indicates that he is sick. It didn't keep him from making a bunch of good plays. I think the problem was more with the line and the gameplan. We weren't as bad in that game as I thought before watching the replay. And I don't think Sam was as bad as all the talk about being sick makes it sound.
    I do. The reason being he played pretty well against West Virginia in challenging conditions and he was running for his life most of the game because the line play was pretty poor. It certainly didn't look like he had the same kind of giddy up in the bowl game.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    I do. The reason being he played pretty well against West Virginia in challenging conditions and he was running for his life most of the game because the line play was pretty poor. It certainly didn't look like he had the same kind of giddy up in the bowl game.

    Well, he looked like he had some fine "giddy up" when he ran for the 34 yard gain in the 2nd Q! Yes, I know that he came out after the play, but I don't remember anyone saying that they thought it was because he was sick. And he came right back in.


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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    Well, he looked like he had some fine "giddy up" when he ran for the 34 yard game in the 2nd Q! Yes, I know that he came out after the play, but I don't remember anyone saying that they thought it was because he was sick. And he came right back in.
    I thought he got a concussion on that play when I saw it live.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    Well, he looked like he had some fine "giddy up" when he ran for the 34 yard game in the 2nd Q! Yes, I know that he came out after the play, but I don't remember anyone saying that they thought it was because he was sick. And he came right back in.
    Well... he ran for 12 yards on his other 9 carries. For the season he was averaging 5.7 yards per carry. That is a pretty significant dip in yards per carry if you ask me. He also had his fewest pass attempts in a game, fewest completions, fewest passing yards, his only turnover, his lowest QB rating, etc... Something was off...

    After going 6 for 7 for 114 yards and a touchdown in the first quarter, Richardson was 4 of 14 for 15 yards with an interception the rest of the day while battling flu-like symptoms. Jantz replaced Richardson early in the fourth quarter.
    "You can't ask much more from a young player like Sam," said Iowa State linebacker A.J. Klein, who tied a Liberty Bowl record with 19 tackles. "He's going to have a great career the rest of his time here at Iowa State. That's the type of people we want to build this program around, people that will give it up, no matter what condition they're in."


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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by CykoAGR View Post

    Im perfectly fine with either of these guys leading ISU. For God's sake pick one and stick with him, if you need to make a switch midway through the season then IMO be confident enough to turn over the team to him for the rest of the year for better or for worse.

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    This. The entire concept of playing musical chairs with 2 QB's and "riding the hot hand" means that from week to week the coaching staff has ZERO confidence in either guy.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    Well... he ran for 12 yards on his other 9 carries. For the season he was averaging 5.7 yards per carry. That is a pretty significant dip in yards per carry if you ask me. He also had his fewest pass attempts in a game, fewest completions, fewest passing yards, his only turnover, his lowest QB rating, etc... Something was off...

    After going 6 for 7 for 114 yards and a touchdown in the first quarter, Richardson was 4 of 14 for 15 yards with an interception the rest of the day while battling flu-like symptoms. Jantz replaced Richardson early in the fourth quarter.
    "You can't ask much more from a young player like Sam," said Iowa State linebacker A.J. Klein, who tied a Liberty Bowl record with 19 tackles. "He's going to have a great career the rest of his time here at Iowa State. That's the type of people we want to build this program around, people that will give it up, no matter what condition they're in."

    No doubt, he was tough and to be commended for fighting as hard as he could. However, there is another explanation for his poor performance, namely Tulsa beat us on the line and our game plan didn't seem to be adjusted properly.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    No doubt, he was tough and to be commended for fighting as hard as he could. However, there is another explanation for his poor performance, namely Tulsa beat us on the line and our game plan didn't seem to be adjusted properly.
    Tough to do anything when your OL is a sieve.



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