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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    I like that SR is texting his receivers for extra practice. Shows good leadership, and can only help their feel for each other. Hope he's doing that with the running backs too.


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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrods79 View Post
    Considering Rohach...since we are devoid of a QB controversy right now, and hoping Sam pans out to what we need him to be this year to at least get back to a bowl (obviously a big "if"), that would likely result in leaving Rohach with only 1 clear year to grab the job. I'm not sure how talented he is, but he was one of the highlights of that recruiting class, it would be a shame not to see him get some playing time if SB and GR are close. So without a QB controversy, it is kind of a catch-22; on one hand you want SR to do well and be what this team needs to be because you don't want a QB controversy and it is much better to have a clear talented starter for years to come, but on the other, at what cost does it have on the future if you put all your eggs in one basket?

    Maybe I'm just jaded from the two years of the "Jantz vs. Barnett" situation, and what it finally took to give Richardson a series at Kansas where we found out that we should have been giving him a few more snaps all along. But if you're going to the QB with more in-game experience as the starter for the next three years...hopefully without an injury, what is the tipping point for a talented QB with no in-game experience to grab some playing time and prove himself? Otherwise, could we be sitting a QB at #2 for three years that could have more ability to take things on to the next level?

    I'm not writing Sam off at all...I hope he is what we want him to be and more, and I'm looking forward to seeing him lead the team this year. I guess I'm wondering how much of a QB battle we actually have on our hands (out of the media attention). How much we'll see Rohach on the field? Either case, the guy needs some actual playing time.
    Rohach will get plenty of reps in garbage time second halves when we are up by 30+

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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by CykoAGR View Post
    If you ask any college coach he is going to say that he wants one guy to be the QB, period. Of course it is always great to have a backup with experience but this whole back and forth thing is not good.

    Watch the video from media day with Woody. He was all smiles when asked how it felt not to have the QB back and forth.

    I dont care who it is and if GR steals the job from Sam at one point or another but if you are rooting for rotating QB's in meaningful time you are crazy.
    Then I guess Northwestern's Coach P. Fitzgerald is a "crazy guy". He has used (over the past 4 years) a two quarterback rotation that has driven opposing teams in the Big Ten nuts. He situationally uses Kain Colter (running QB) and Trevor Siemian (passing QB) all the time. I have certainly not watched alot of NW's games; but, the ones that I have watched, NW's offense runs smoothly (whoever is QBing).



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Lol we don't want a QB controversy. That means you don't have a QB.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonestate78 View Post
    This is going to pay big dividends for the team going forward this year. For Sam it has to give him confidence heading into fall camp knowing that he is the guy. He will get more reps which will only help. It also has to be a great comfort to the other skill position players heading into camp. In all reality it has to be a considerable adjustment constantly jumping back and forth between two different QB's. QB's have different styles, different personalities, different throwing motions, different cadences, put different spin on the football, throw at different velocity, The angle or loft on different throws (20 yards, 30 yards, 40 yards, etc...) will change based on the QB's arm strength, the timing of how quickly the ball will get to them changes based on velocity, etc... I am sure there are a ton of other potential differences that a WR, TE, or RB would have to adjust for between 2 different QB's.

    It had to be hard enough for these guys to run their routes while trying to beat their defender and create seperation while at the same time trying to factor in the tendencies and the factors listed above for each QB. That process just got simplified for everyone and that can only mean good things.
    Very good points and you could tell there was a big difference between QBs the last two years. You could tell who each QB liked to go to. Jantz to Money, JB to Lenz... The running game was wildly inconsistent between the two as well. SJ did not make the reads nearly as well as JB.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsag View Post
    Then I guess Northwestern's Coach P. Fitzgerald is a "crazy guy". He has used (over the past 4 years) a two quarterback rotation that has driven opposing teams in the Big Ten nuts. He situationally uses Kain Colter (running QB) and Trevor Siemian (passing QB) all the time. I have certainly not watched alot of NW's games; but, the ones that I have watched, NW's offense runs smoothly (whoever is QBing).
    They've been running the same system for a long time. It takes a lot of consistency to and great coaching to be able to do that. That's why there aren't a lot of examples of it being successful. More often when coaches juggle QBs it leads to neither being as good as they could be. Rare occurrence for sure.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    SJ and JB needed the QB competition because neither of them really stepped up and took the job. That was seen in the regular season with their inconsistency from week to week and losing the job back and forth.

    I think Sam is well ahead of either of these guys as far as a starting point. He has a good mix of talent and command of the offense, whereas the previous QBs were inconsistent in one way or the other.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    To what degree is a QB controversy a creation by the coaches? It seems that they thought a QB controversy would help Jantz and Barnett to improve until one showed himself really worthy of the sole QB role, but it never happened. It also seems that we could have a QB controversy this year if the coaches handled Richardson and Rohach in a similar manner. The big difference may be that Richardson is clearly ahead of Rohach right now, but probably also that Rohach doesn't need a QB controversy to keep motivated and working to get better. Although not being presented as a contender for starting QB, I still feel good about having him as a backup at the start of this season and think he will eventually be a "surprise" contributor. It is all about how the coaches are spinning it and what they think the QBs will respond to.
    I agree with this...or perhaps more accurately, the 'lack' of a QB controversy is being driven by the coaches. What if Barnett was still here? You have an older, more experienced returner who has led us to some big wins and a younger QB with a lot of potential, but coming off a subpar showing at the bowl game where he was yanked. Sound familiar? It would have been very easy to go back to where we were last off-season and have Barnett and Richardson battle. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm guessing CPR grew tired of this and told them he would not drag the competition out again.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsag View Post
    Then I guess Northwestern's Coach P. Fitzgerald is a "crazy guy". He has used (over the past 4 years) a two quarterback rotation that has driven opposing teams in the Big Ten nuts. He situationally uses Kain Colter (running QB) and Trevor Siemian (passing QB) all the time. I have certainly not watched alot of NW's games; but, the ones that I have watched, NW's offense runs smoothly (whoever is QBing).
    I think it's a different situation when you go in knowing two QB's will be used rather than having two compete for the starting job.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    SJ and JB needed the QB competition because neither of them really stepped up and took the job. That was seen in the regular season with their inconsistency from week to week and losing the job back and forth.

    I think Sam is well ahead of either of these guys as far as a starting point. He has a good mix of talent and command of the offense, whereas the previous QBs were inconsistent in one way or the other.
    In that case you had a QB battle of two average QB's...we all know that is a bad battle to have on your hands. Plus, their strengths and weaknesses were opposite.

    Considering SR and GR are better than that...going as far to say that they are "good" QB's (but that is a stretch considering we've only seen a few games from SR and nothing from GR), why would you crown one so early if they are as close as people say? I'm not rooting for rotating QB's...far from it...although every team has some level of QB competition going on as they develop their backup. It is great to have one QB and all the advantages/development that comes from that consistency. I just think it is too early for both of these guys to say that SR does it all, with GR only getting garbage time.

    So, I'm probably in the camp that believes SR is a clear enough #1 right now where they can avoid the toxicity of rotating QB's through practice, but that they will find a way to give Rohach some meaningful snaps this year without a QB controversy running through the media. I'm just interested to see how they work it in



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    In our offense we will always need at least 2 QBs. God forbid one gets injured but you can't afford not to have a backup. Grant might not be pushing to start this year but in a year or two we might have two really good QBs to chose from.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    In our offense we will always need at least 2 QBs. God forbid one gets injured but you can't afford not to have a backup. Grant might not be pushing to start this year but in a year or two we might have two really good QBs to chose from.
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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by veryphil View Post
    THis is off the subject a little, but I really hope the best for Barrett. He was our guy under center for the OSU game and I'll never forget that.

    Anyway, Sam looks like he's ready to do great things this year.
    I never heard what what the reason he decided to transfer? I was sad to hear of him leaving.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by Daserop View Post
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    Yeah, I think Sam and Grant have a better shots at being good QBs than SJ and JB ever did though.



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    Re: No QB quandary will make this camp less chaotic

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsag View Post
    Then I guess Northwestern's Coach P. Fitzgerald is a "crazy guy". He has used (over the past 4 years) a two quarterback rotation that has driven opposing teams in the Big Ten nuts. He situationally uses Kain Colter (running QB) and Trevor Siemian (passing QB) all the time. I have certainly not watched alot of NW's games; but, the ones that I have watched, NW's offense runs smoothly (whoever is QBing).
    They have good offensive coaches coaching against Big 10 talent. We have weak offensive coaches coaching against actual talent.



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