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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Fran has shown zero ability to develop talent, I have no concern in regards to Iowa MBB.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Something weird happened in that Iowa game last year. Iowa State played like crap and lost, but to read the reaction on every message board from December until now, you'd think Iowa State lost by 50. It was a loss, but it wasn't the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of Iowa State basketball. There has rarely been such an over-reaction by our fanbase and that is saying something.

    As far as next year goes, we'll see. Iowa State should be a favorite just because it is at home. Iowa claims that they will be much improved from last year, but I'll have to see it to believe it.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    I'll take a bet if it's worth my while. I'd like to field some offers to see who's the most confident.

    Not tons of money here, but I'd bet a box of diapers.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Not tons of money here, but I'd bet a box of diapers.
    Used or new?



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by LindenCy View Post
    Used or new?

    Well, that's not specified yet.
    Either way, it represents a significant investment.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Fran has shown zero ability to develop talent, I have no concern in regards to Iowa MBB.
    Devyn Marble?



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincyclone View Post
    Devyn Marble?
    He has kind of regressed and then got better and then regressed.

    Let's look at it this way. Do you think that if you gave Fran Iowa State's team the last 2 years that he could have done much of anything with them? I know there were growing pains and December problems that were frustrating each year, but when you really step back and look at the big picture, Hoiberg's ability to handle those 2 teams was amazing. It wasn't all Hoiberg, the assistants did a great job and the players did as well. But it starts with Hoiberg and it shows up in so many ways....but the biggest thing is that he seems to respect his players. And I think that they know he has their backs. Fran would have seen 'bad' Korie or 'pouting' Booker or other things and railed into them and could have lost them.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    I would still like to know more about the rules related to CCL/PTL leagues. What is the rule? And what is its purpose?

    I would love to see more D1 teams with players in the same league. It would be cool to have games played in various parts of the state through the summer.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincyclone View Post
    Devyn Marble?
    Marble was absolutely terrible for stretches last season. Put it this way, Fran has been a HC for 17 years and has had exactly zero draft picks.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    I'd love to see a championship type game where the winner of the CCL plays the winner of the PTL. Charge for tickets and give the money to charity or something.

    As far as iowa beating ISU in Hilton, I think that it could definitely happen. Once again, ISU is going to be rebuilding at the beginning of the season with three new starters...likely a FR as one and a transfer SG that is playing PG. It's going to take some time for that team to come together, just like the last two. I guess that's the drawback of taking some transfers and JUCOs. Iowa on the other hand has pretty much their entire team coming back and they were decent by the end of last season. I believe that ISU has a lot of upside next season, but it's not inconceiveable that iowa would be playing better ball than ISU in December. Hilton is a heck of an equalizer though.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    I'd love to see a championship type game where the winner of the CCL plays the winner of the PTL. Charge for tickets and give the money to charity or something.

    Outstanding idea.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Marble was absolutely terrible for stretches last season. Put it this way, Fran has been a HC for 17 years and has had exactly zero draft picks.
    If that's true it's a stunning statistic. Obviously the cycle will be broken when Woodbury leaves school early and goes no. 1 overall in next year's draft, but still, that's stunning.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    Outstanding idea.
    Very much against the rules.



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by jsb View Post
    Very much against the rules.

    What rules?

    All I can find is a rule that limits D1 players to a single league. I haven't found anything that limits the number of D1 teams with players in a league.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...83ffc110a6426c



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    Re: CCL/PTL comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Marble was absolutely terrible for stretches last season. Put it this way, Fran has been a HC for 17 years and has had exactly zero draft picks.
    Marble was injured for a large part of Big Ten play last year. When he was healthy, he was really good. Bottom line, Marble has gotten a ton better from his freshman year to his junior year...I consider that being "developed". Also, McCafferey has coached at Liberty, UNC Greensboro, and Siena before going to Iowa. Not many coaches would get players drafted off of those teams. And for him to be successful especially at Siena absolutely shows he can develop talent at least to some extent. Those players didn't walk in there as superstar freshman but by the time they were upperclassmen they were competing with the elites of college basketball. I'm not saying Fran's a great developer of talent or that he's better at it than Fred, but he's definitely shown more than "zero" ability to develop talent in my mind.



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