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    Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    If there were any doubts regarding Kliff Kingsbury's conference loyalties, his interview with the AP should put them safely to rest:

    Kliff Kingsbury: We'll slow down if you stop recruiting 'beasts' - CBSSports.com

    Take that, Sabanistas!!



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    That's a great point. You create advantages however you can. For some it's an uptempo style that wears big guys out and for others it's having larger, stronger players to push others around.


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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    You say whatever fits where you are. Ask him the same questions a few months ago at A&M. I'd bet he was an SEC man then.




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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist View Post
    You say whatever fits where you are. Ask him the same questions a few months ago at A&M. I'd bet he was an SEC man then.
    Really the title isn't right here. He was defending an up tempo style rather than the conference.


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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    It brings me back to wishing OK State could have played Alabama for the NC, even though we beat them on that glorious November night.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    I wouldn't be surprised if an up-tempo style does lead to more injuries, purely because more plays are ran and there is more opportunity for injury. That's not why Saban and Bielema dislike it though. They are simply un-innovative and really hate the up-tempo game.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if an up-tempo style does lead to more injuries, purely because more plays are ran and there is more opportunity for injury. That's not why Saban and Bielema dislike it though. They are simply un-innovative and really hate the up-tempo game.
    One has won 4 championships and the other has been to what, 3 rose bowls? They don't like it but to act like they don't know anything is ridiculous.


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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    One has won 4 championships and the other has been to what, 3 rose bowls? They don't like it but to act like they don't know anything is ridiculous.
    I didn't say they don't know anything I just said they don't like it and for whatever reason don't want to change to learn how to handle it.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    I didn't say they don't know anything I just said they don't like it and for whatever reason don't want to change to learn how to handle it.
    Calling them un-innovative is pretty harsh consider their accomplishments. Especially Saban, for God's sake. He's the best coach in the country.


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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    From the look of Saban's record, I would say he handles the up tempo game quite well. Bielma loves smash mouth football and will try to limit the up tempo teams' offensive possessions by game planning like Grandpa Snyder.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    Calling them un-innovative is pretty harsh consider their accomplishments. Especially Saban, for God's sake. He's the best coach in the country.
    He obviously doesn't want to have to deal with the up-tempo though. He has done well with the best talent in the country but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a pro at adapting to the different style.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    It brings me back to wishing OK State could have played Alabama for the NC, even though we beat them on that glorious November night.
    Yes, would never want to have given back that unlikely upset in front of a captivated national TV audience, but OK State most definitely ought to have played for the NC that year. The system had too much subjective bias toward the SEC when OK State had by far the more impressive resume. They at least would have made the NC a whole lot more exciting than the sleeper it turned out to be.

    Looking forward to TCU vs LSU on opening weekend, though. Hoping the purple toads will get the party started this year by knocking of an SEC powerhouse.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    It's funny how conferences tend to gravitate towards one particular style of play. For the Big XII and Pack 10, it's fast, up tempo, offense. For the SEC it is smash mouth football, and for the B1G it is just suck ball.

    I do think that the SEC wouldn't look as great if they had to play some quality run and gun kind of teams. aTm did pretty well in the SEC running that kind of system. Conversely, I bet a good SEC team like Florida or 'Bama could really run over most Big XII defenses. That's why K-state has been successful. They basically get some huge road graders on the O-line and mow dow the D.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    It's funny how conferences tend to gravitate towards one particular style of play. For the Big XII and Pack 10, it's fast, up tempo, offense. For the SEC it is smash mouth football, and for the B1G it is just suck ball.

    I do think that the SEC wouldn't look as great if they had to play some quality run and gun kind of teams. aTm did pretty well in the SEC running that kind of system. Conversely, I bet a good SEC team like Florida or 'Bama could really run over most Big XII defenses. That's why K-state has been successful. They basically get some huge road graders on the O-line and mow dow the D.
    The Sabanator has spoken out about what he calls the direction of the game. He basically says the uptempo game should be outlawed in order to reduce injuries. But I agree with Kingsbury that Nick is only trying to reinforce his team's, and the SEC's, advantage, which is having monstrous D-Linemen. A&M brought a little bit of Big 12 ball and had some success in their year 1. Mizzou was injury riddled in 2012, so lets withhold judgment for another year on them. I think those teams will have their success against the majority of the SEC's teams, which are 6-win seekers. Over time, this style of play will chip away at the Old Man Football still being played by the SEC powerhouses.



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    Re: Kingsbury a Big 12th Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    That's why K-state has been successful. They basically get some huge road graders on the O-line and mow dow the D.
    Which still upsets me that Iowa State is trying to be a spread offense team. We won't out recruit the texas teams for most of the players they want, so don't recruit the same guys they want.

    Kansas State smoked Texas the last two seasons and KSU wasn't any more talented than Iowa State. Its their coach and his system.



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