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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Interestingly, it seems that the worst things that people said about Griner have largely dissipated now that she has come out and made clear what kind of a woman she is, but they were incessant during the season.



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Does everyone here suffer the misconception that BF has never had a gay player on his team?
    It is my opinion that is not the case. Many don't dwell on it or are not too much concerned.

    My possible naivety aside, Griner's image problem stemmed not from fans assuming her gay. Dislike for the player grew more out of other aspects real and imagined.

    Griner's physical presence and dominance generated "Gender Verification" ( Gender verification in sports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) arguments. Griner also raised the hackles of some males because she threatened them as it is pretty apparent many could not match her on a basketball court. Her infamous fight was in-part an instigation by the other player and part frustration by Griner. Anything against her was used to support the dirty player image whether it was accurate or not. People were uneasy that this women could take over a game in away that no other WWB had.
    Prior to it all were questions on her recruitment.

    In an earlier post I hoped if the same situation arose in the future Iowa Staters would handle it better. I assumed that; but your post seems to indicate I may be a little generous.



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by StClone View Post
    It is my opinion that is not the case. Many don't dwell on it or are not too much concerned.

    My possible naivety aside, Griner's image problem stemmed not from fans assuming her gay. Dislike for the player grew more out of other aspects real and imagined.

    Griner's physical presence and dominance generated "Gender Verification" ( Gender verification in sports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) arguments. Griner also raised the hackles of some males because she threatened them as it is pretty apparent many could not match her on a basketball court. Her infamous fight was in-part an instigation by the other player and part frustration by Griner. Anything against her was used to support the dirty player image whether it was accurate or not. People were uneasy that this women could take over a game in away that no other WWB had.
    Prior to it all were questions on her recruitment.

    In an earlier post I hoped if the same situation arose in the future Iowa Staters would handle it better. I assumed that; but your post seems to indicate I may be a little generous.
    Did you quote the wrong post?


    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy
    not because they are easy, but because they are hard ... because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win....

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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Did you quote the wrong post?
    No



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by StClone View Post
    No
    Are you illiterate?

    Edit: Maybe I am illiterate? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by quoting my post.


    Last edited by klamath632; 05-31-2013 at 02:27 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy
    not because they are easy, but because they are hard ... because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win....

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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Are you illiterate?

    Edit: Maybe I am illiterate? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by quoting my post.
    The first two sentences he posted were a response to your post. The rest wasn't.



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Are you illiterate?

    Edit: Maybe I am illiterate? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by quoting my post.
    You state: Does everyone here suffer the misconception that BF has never had a gay player on his team?

    You are indicating one of two things whether you meant to or not:

    1. We are living under a bubble of happy misconception of having a gay-free WWB team. Your knowledge is contrary to that as you are aware we in fact have had gay WBB players and we are uninformed.

    2. That you just came to the realization in reading this post that we have to have had gay WWB players and ask if the rest of us all were living under that misconception still.

    I responded as if you were asking number 1. That we have had gay players and are aware of that possibility. Under the heading of this being a post about Griner then, I assume you were saying that Brittany's problems were somewhat due to her knowing she is gay or the public's reaction to it. Which is not what I believe because (and stated in my post what I saw as what was going on, which is most of my post). I did not consider her gay (!?) and furthermore, my main point, is that we really don't dwell on whether our players are gay or not. At least I don't and hope other Iowa Staters have little concern.

    My concluding sentence ,which you quote in bold, is that if we have to ask as stated in #1 "Does everyone here suffer the misconception that BF has never had a gay player on his team" I am therefore generous in my belief that we have come to some high point of gay acceptance.



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by StClone View Post
    You state: Does everyone here suffer the misconception that BF has never had a gay player on his team?

    You are indicating one of two things whether you meant to or not:

    1. We are living under a bubble of happy misconception of having a gay-free WWB team. Your knowledge is contrary to that as you are aware we in fact have had gay WBB players and we are uninformed.

    2. That you just came to the realization in reading this post that we have to have had gay WWB players and ask if the rest of us all were living under that misconception still.

    I responded as if you were asking number 1. That we have had gay players and are aware of that possibility. Under the heading of this being a post about Griner then, I assume you were saying that Brittany's problems were somewhat due to her knowing she is gay or the public's reaction to it. Which is not what I believe because (and stated in my post what I saw as what was going on, which is most of my post). I did not consider her gay (!?) and furthermore, my main point, is that we really don't dwell on whether our players are gay or not. At least I don't and hope other Iowa Staters have little concern.

    My concluding sentence ,which you quote in bold, is that if we have to ask as stated in #1 "Does everyone here suffer the misconception that BF has never had a gay player on his team" I am therefore generous in my belief that we have come to some high point of gay acceptance.
    Can someone explain wtf this guy is saying?



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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    Can someone explain wtf this guy is saying?
    Sad.


    Last edited by StClone; 05-31-2013 at 11:59 PM.

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    Re: Interesting article about Griner/Mulkey

    StClone...the only point that I would mildly disagree with you on is how she played. She got tremendous referee bias throughout most of the last two seasons of her career. Because of her height they tended to watch her hands and never bothered to watch her body into someone as she reached over them. She should have fouled out of numerous games or learned to play the game differently. The worst was the amount of physical abuse she was allowed to put on other players. The most recent example was against ISU in the Big 12 tourney. Well, Karma is a b****, and Louisville got the same referee bias against her in the NCAA's.



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