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    Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Didn't see this elsewhere, thought it interesting.

    Heard about this "predictionmachine.com" site on Cowherd (rarely listen but had day off and working in yard). Checked it out, and it's interesting. They rely more on college stats and "sabremetric" type stuff as opposed to physical stats from the combine. Naturally they claim it's way better than everyone else.

    But here's what caught my eye. They have Reeves listed as the 53rd best player (not including o-linemen) in the draft. Knott is 92, and Klein is 130th.

    They also put a absolute rating on players: 7+ means could play as a rookie, 8+ expect to start as a rookie, 9+ unique player potentially a star. Reeves was 7.2, Knott 6.8 and Klein 6.6.

    I was just really surprised since there has been little or no talk about Reeves, who I always thought was underrated but really pretty solid. Not sure if he is early 3rd round material, but what do I know.

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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    He's just a guy who brings it despite his size.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    If Reeves was 2 inches taller, he'd be a mid round pick.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Reeves is a great player regardless of height. He outplayed other corners that are 2 inches taller than him but yet people and even his own fans can't get past his height.

    I guess it's too be expected since it is still hard for people to get past skin color.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Although I love Reeves, it's hard to trust this considering Micah Hyde is 25th on it.


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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Based on production, he's probably a second round pick. The problem is that when he was beaten, it was up top and NFl WRs and QBs will just go after that ruthlessly with success. I think he was the best player on that defense even though that's likely an unpopular opinion.


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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by megamanxzero35 View Post
    If Reeves was 2 inches taller, he'd be a mid round pick.
    If he was 2 inches taller he wouldnt have been a Cyclone.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by bosco View Post
    Reeves is a great player regardless of height. He outplayed other corners that are 2 inches taller than him but yet people and even his own fans can't get past his height.

    I guess it's too be expected since it is still hard for people to get past skin color.
    He is a great player, but size matters in the NFL. Receivers in college can be big, tall, physical or fast. Rarely are they all of those things.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    He is a great player, but size matters in the NFL. Receivers in college can be big, tall, physical or fast. Rarely are they all of those things.
    Scouts THINK size matters. Do you think a CB drafted in the 5th round is better than Reeves because he is 5' 9' when in fact the tape and performance shows otherwise.

    People are slaves to established thought or preconceived notions. Like you can't be successful with building a bball team with transfers or hiring a bball coach without any head coaching experience.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by bosco View Post
    Scouts THINK size matters. Do you think a CB drafted in the 5th round is better than Reeves because he is 5' 9' when in fact the tape and performance shows otherwise.

    People are slaves to established thought or preconceived notions. Like you can't be successful with building a bball team with transfers or hiring a bball coach without any head coaching experience.
    No matter how good Reeves is, you can't possibly tell me that a corner of the same exact athleticism, but 6 foot instead of 5'7" won't defend better against a receiver who is 6'4"


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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by bosco View Post
    Scouts THINK size matters. Do you think a CB drafted in the 5th round is better than Reeves because he is 5' 9' when in fact the tape and performance shows otherwise.

    People are slaves to established thought or preconceived notions. Like you can't be successful with building a bball team with transfers or hiring a bball coach without any head coaching experience.
    Reeves is 5'7 at best.


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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJ271 View Post
    No matter how good Reeves is, you can't possibly tell me that a corner of the same exact athleticism, but 6 foot instead of 5'7" won't defend better against a receiver who is 6'4"
    Well duh. That isn't the argument. That's like saying would you rather have Randy Moss 6' 4' or 6'. The argument is Reeves's play shows he is just as capable as other players but they will be drafted just because they fit the paradigm.

    If the 6' 4" receiver catches the ball over both the 6' and the 5' 7" CB which CB did a better job?














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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Reeves is 5'7 at best.
    Great let's go back and revise every players' height and weight that are listed in the programs. By that then the receiver's he plays against are at least 2 inches shorter.



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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by bosco View Post
    Great let's go back and revise every players' height and weight that are listed in the programs. By that then the receiver's he plays against are at least 2 inches shorter.
    OK, fine. SO then there are a lot of NFL receivers who are 6'1-6'2 when revised. Not so in the Big 12.


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    Re: Reeves best pick in this class of Cyclones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    OK, fine. SO then there are a lot of NFL receivers who are I 6'1-6'2 when revised. Not so in the Big 12.
    Notorious butt dialer former coach Elliot said that Reeves was the best cover corner in the B12. That was while LJ was still in the conference. LJ ended up being an NFL starter. Given that LJ was "listed" 2 inches taller than Reeves do you think that Reeves could NOT be a viable NFL player even though he has better cover skills than a NFL starter?



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