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    Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    I apologize if this topic has been covered in one of the threads on the NCAA violations...

    I'm wondering if we'll ever know who we had to stop recruiting because of the impermissible contacts. I wonder if the defensive end (Suttles?) went to Nebraska because we told him we could no longer offer a scholarship? It's clear that we couldn't recruit Jok, but what about someone like Kyle Washington? It really hurts to think we could have had a class with Monte Morris, Matt Thomas, Peter Jok, Kyle Washington, and maybe Hogue/Amardi...

    Perhaps Washington was on his way to BobbyLutzland anyway, but I could envision the scenario where Fred tells Kyle that unfortunately he can't be a Cyclone so he should consider going to NC State where Fred knows that there is a good guy on staff.

    My opinion is that Fred and Jamie did the best thing and that while it is awful to see "ISU" and "major violations" together in a headline, in the long run Iowa State's reputation is enhanced as a school that operates with class.

    Who are some other recruits that we may have been forced to forgo?



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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but why would we have been forced to forgo recruits? Someone else mentioned losing Jok as well and I'm not clear on why that would be. Was the fired MBB assistant the connection? (Sorry, I don't follow recruiting as much these days.)



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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Trice View Post
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but why would we have been forced to forgo recruits? Someone else mentioned losing Jok as well and I'm not clear on why that would be. Was the fired MBB assistant the connection? (Sorry, I don't follow recruiting as much these days.)
    We immediately stopped the recruitment of anyone that we were contacting improperly, so as to prove that no recruiting advantages were gained because of the impermissible contact.


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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Trice View Post
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but why would we have been forced to forgo recruits? Someone else mentioned losing Jok as well and I'm not clear on why that would be. Was the fired MBB assistant the connection? (Sorry, I don't follow recruiting as much these days.)
    From what I understand, we had to stop recruiting anyone who received an impermissible contact. That way the university didn't gain any benefit from the improper action.

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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    We immediately stopped the recruitment of anyone that we were contacting improperly, so as to prove that no recruiting advantages were gained because of the impermissible contact.
    Oh, no kidding? I guess that must have been in the report and I hadn't seen that part.

    In terms of our being proactive and dealing with the problem, that really does go above and beyond what I would have expected. Maybe that's common for schools who self-report? I don't know.

    Another question...when we say we're on "probation" what does that mean? I've always assumed it to be virtually meaningless, like extra reporting and more punishment if we screw up during that time period. Is that about right?



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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Trice View Post
    Oh, no kidding? I guess that must have been in the report and I hadn't seen that part.

    In terms of our being proactive and dealing with the problem, that really does go above and beyond what I would have expected. Maybe that's common for schools who self-report? I don't know.

    Another question...when we say we're on "probation" what does that mean? I've always assumed it to be virtually meaningless, like extra reporting and more punishment if we screw up during that time period. Is that about right?
    If you're on probation, it sets you up for the death penalty as a repeat offender if you commit more violations. That's about it.


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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    It means don't do nothing wrong for 2 years and you are off probation



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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Trice View Post
    I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but why would we have been forced to forgo recruits? Someone else mentioned losing Jok as well and I'm not clear on why that would be. Was the fired MBB assistant the connection? (Sorry, I don't follow recruiting as much these days.)
    Jok went to EIU because his coach at Valley (Horner) is a former hok.











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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonic1 View Post
    Jok went to EIU because his coach at Valley (Horner) is a former hok.
    Jok had two scholarship offers, Drake and Iowa. If you think we stopped recruiting him because of these violations then it won't be long before UNI/Creighton/etc come out with their self imposed penalties too.



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    Re: Consequenses of the Violations on Recruiting

    We'll find out. I found it interesting that we've been on self imposed probation for nearly 2 years now and still have pulled in some of our best recruiting classes. So that leaves one wondering are we really paying a penalty? It will be interesting to see how NCAA views this, but as others have noted other schools have done similar things and done relatively well.

    Little side story, I was listenting to KRNA out of Iowa City yesterday(an awesome rock station) and 2 of their DJ's were absolutely piling on ISU and then brought up how Iowa's rated top 25 for next year. Had to laugh about it. They were insinuating JP's job is on the line and we signed this big deal with Fred Hoiberg and he's part of the problem....They did have one good point. They questioned how a school could ask for it's own penalty.



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