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    What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Here is a detailed statistical breakdown of what we lose and return next season.


    What we lose:

    67% of minutes played
    65% of points scored
    62% of total field goals made
    51% of 2 pt field goals made
    81% of 3 pt field goals made
    66% of free throws made
    53% of total rebounds
    55% of defensive rebounds
    47% of offensive rebounds
    75% of assists
    67% of turnovers
    54% of fouls
    68% of steals
    52% of blocks

    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 11th minutes played
    1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 11th scorers
    1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 11th total field goals made
    1st, 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 11th 2 pt field goals made
    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th, 10th, 11th 3 pt field goals made
    1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th free throws made
    2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 11th total rebounds
    2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th defensive rebounds
    2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 11th offensive rebounds
    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th assists
    1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, turnovers
    3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th fouls
    1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th, 11th steals
    3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 11th blocks





    What we return

    33% of minutes played
    35% of points scored
    38% of total field goals made
    49% of 2 pt field goals made
    19% of 3 pt field goals made
    34% of free throws made
    47% of total rebounds
    45% of defensive rebounds
    53% of offensive rebounds
    25% of assists
    33% of turnovers
    46% of fouls
    32% of steals
    48% of blocks

    4th, 5th, 7th, 10th minutes played
    3rd, 4th, 7th, 10th scorers
    3rd, 4th, 7th, 10th total field goals made
    2nd, 3rd, 5th, 10th 2 pt field goals made
    5th, 6th, 8th, 9th 3 pt field goals made
    2nd, 3rd, 8th, 10th free throws made
    1st, 3rd, 7th, 10th total rebounds
    1st, 3rd, 8th, 10th defensive rebounds
    1st, 3rd, 4th, 10th offensive rebounds
    4th, 5th, 8th, 10th assists
    3rd, 4th, 8th, 10th turnovers
    1st, 2nd, 8th, 10th fouls
    3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th steals
    1st, 2nd, 7th, 10th blocks


    Last edited by nallen34; 09-02-2013 at 07:44 PM.

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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Losing 4 of your top 6 players in most statistical categories is brutal.

    We also obviously lose a lot of our scoring, the majority of our 3 pt shooting and assists, a lot of our steals, and our turnovers.

    We lose close to 50% of everything else. We have so much to replace! I wish that the majority of the players that are replacing these things weren't first year freshman and Juco players. It could be a rough season. I really hope that it isn't though!


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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    The good news is in our front court. Hopefully Percy can step it up and learn to pass out of a triple team. Fred has done a good job of convincing our players to buy in to unselfish play. The JUCO's should be able to provide some depth, just not sure about the quality of that depth. Does it sound like Edozie will RS? I have heard this mentioned but haven't followed him enough to know where he fits in this season.

    Looking back I am very happy that SDW used a RS year to develo p, only wish Okoro had done the same. Naz couldn't for obvious reasons. Lots of young guards and wings, you would have to think one or two of them will be ready to rage next year. I think our fan base really underestimates the senior leadership, ball handling and defense that Bubu will provide us next year. Having a young point guard can be a recipe for disaster and there are a lot fewer success stories with youth at that position. It helps that Elijah Johnson, Marcus Smart, Myck Kabongo, and Pierre Jackson could and should be gone. Big 12 will be young again.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Seems like the statistics from last season were pretty tough too. I'm encouraged by the way other freshman around the league (including Niang) came in and hit the ground running.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    I would also be amazed if we don't find a transfer or two-- hopefully one who can play right away, and I know that would screw up the scholarship situation but as we all know, that works itself out. I trust Fred and think we can compete next year, but looking at our returners on paper for the first time is a bit troubling.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Quote Originally Posted by nallen34 View Post
    I typed up who and what statistics we are losing, who and what statistics we are returning. Then I showed how many of the top scorers, rebounders, etc are leaving and returning. I also showed all the players rankings when coming out of high school or junior college. Last but not least I showed what we are adding next season.


    What we lose:


    1. McGee-SG-14th/15th Juco rankings
    2. Clyburn-SF(transfer from Utah)-53rd Juco rankings
    3. Babb-SG(transfer from Penn St)-NR/NR
    4. Lucious-PG(transfer from Michigan St)-78th/98th
    5. Booker-C(transfer from Southern Illinois)-80th/43rd


    63% of minutes played
    62% of points scored
    49% of 2 pt field goals made
    80% of 3 pt field goals made
    60% of total field goals made
    60% of free throws made
    46% of offensive rebounds
    52% of defensive rebounds
    51% of total rebounds
    49% of fouls
    71% of assists
    62% of turnovers
    52% of blocks
    65% of steals

    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 9th minutes played
    1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 8th top scorers
    1st, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th most 2 pt field goals made
    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th most 3 pt field goals made
    1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th most free throws made
    2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th top total rebounds
    2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th top offensive rebounds
    2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th defensive rebounds
    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 8th top assists
    1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th top turnovers
    1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th top steals
    3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th top blocks
    3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th top fouls



    What we return


    1. Ejim-PF-NR/NR
    2. Niang-PF-56th/69th
    3. Palo-PG-NR/NR
    4. Gibson-C-NR/NR
    5. Long-PG-NR/NR
    6. Okoro-SF-NR/NR


    37% minutes played
    38% points scored
    51% 2 pt field goals made
    20% 3 pt field goals made
    40% of total field goals made
    40% of free throws made
    54% offensive rebounds
    48% defensive rebounds
    49% total rebounds
    51% fouls
    29% assists
    38% turnovers
    48% blocks
    35% steals

    4th, 5th, 7th, 8th minutes played
    3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th scorers
    2nd, 3rd, 4th, 9th 2 pt field goals made
    5th, 6th, 8th, 9th 3 pt field goals made
    2nd, 3rd, 7th, 8th free throws made
    1st, 3rd, 7th, 9th total rebounds
    1st, 3rd, 4th, 9th offensive rebounds
    1st, 3rd, 8th, 9th defensive rebounds
    4th, 5th, 7th, 9th assists
    3rd, 4th, 8th, 9th turnovers
    3rd, 6th, 8th, 9th steals
    1st, 2nd, 7th, 9th blocks
    1st, 2nd, 8th, 9th fouls



    What we add


    1. Dorsey-Walker-SG-NR/125th(red-shirted 12-13)
    2. Thomas-SG-51st/58th
    3. Morris-PG-NR/94th
    4. Hogue-SF(juco)-28th Juco Rankings
    5. Amardi-PF(juco)-48th Juco Rankings
    6. Bluford-SG(juco)-57th Juco Rankings
    7. Edozie-PF(juco)-NR


    That is quite a book report. However, considering your stripe, I am surprised not to see a mental toughness category. I mean, that is why we lost yesterday, right? And by you, isn't that why we lost many of our close games this season......lack of mental toughness? So to you what difference does it make how many points, rebounds, assists, blocks, turnovers they have or what their rank if they don't display the appropriate amount of mental toughness an LE leftover like you requires?



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    Seems like the statistics from last season were pretty tough too. I'm encouraged by the way other freshman around the league (including Niang) came in and hit the ground running.
    We need to stop comparing this transition to last year. Totally different.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Hoiberg's first year we were 16-16. That was basically Christopherson, Anderson, VanDeBeken, Garrett and Ejim.

    I think we will have much more overall talent next year than in Hoiberg's first year and so we should be able to post a winning record at the very least.

    My biggest concern is defense. Likely 5 players out of a 9 man rotation will their first year in the program. It will be a big challenge to develop a cohesive team defense with so many new players. On offense, I think we will continue to be a high scoring 3-point team.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    We are losing a ton. But we lost a ton last year.

    I think next year will be a step back. The non-conference schedule is really tough. We have some great guys returning though.

    I have complete faith in the team and the coaches. They are moving things the right way and while I don't think we want to say that the NCAA is expected, I think we'll see a lot of improvement.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    We lose a ton, but we bring back Niang and Ejim, who are both very good. Percy is there as well and hopefully the light goes on for him. He has the talent, it's just a matter of whether he can crank up his motor.

    We also have guys such as Bubu, SDW, Naz and Okoro that have been in the program for a year or more.

    Plus we have 2 very talented FR guards who will very likely become starter caliber by mid point in the season.

    To suplement that we have 4 Jucos coming in. At least 1-2 of those guys will surprise us, IMO.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    Hoiberg's first year we were 16-16. That was basically Christopherson, Anderson, VanDeBeken, Garrett and Ejim.

    I think we will have much more overall talent next year than in Hoiberg's first year and so we should be able to post a winning record at the very least.
    Next year will not be as talented as that year imo, and will face a much tougher non-conference schedule.
    Ejim and Georges are better than freshman Ejim and JVB, but Scotty, Jake, and Garrett is a much better backcourt than Thomas, SDW/Hogue, and Morris as newcomers. We will have more scholarship players though.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Bottom line is that this is a huge off season for us. Everybody will have to work hard and get better. If they do I'm confident we will be a good team come tourney time and that is all that matters.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Next year will not be as talented as that year imo, and will face a much tougher non-conference schedule.
    Ejim and Georges are better than freshman Ejim and JVB, but Scotty, Jake, and Garrett is a much better backcourt than Thomas, SDW/Hogue, and Morris as newcomers. We will have more scholarship players though.
    Based on what?
    I disagree completely. Scotty didn't really come on till the end of that season, could argue not really until his senior season. Garrett sure, he was better that year then any of the incoming players will be year 1, but I think Hogue will be much better than Jake. And, I would argue all the newbies will be more talented and athletic then virtually anyone on Fred's first roster.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    I don't know if I'm looking at this the right way but if you break those percentages down on a per/minute basis, the one category that we're taking a huge hit in is 3-pt shooting. The rest of them produce less than the amount of time that they played which I suppose isn't a bad thing, just that it might be easier to replace. Just a thought. I'm not a statistician but do like to dive into the numbers.



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    Re: What we are losing, returning, and adding next season

    You guys better get used to losing most of our significant players every season.

    You'd also better get used to restocking them with 5-star recruits every year. That's the direction this program is headed.



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