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    Bad officiating is everywhere

    Been watching the St Joe's/Vandy game. The officials must be from the Big 12. They are horrible. Just saw a St Joe's girl get flattened...no call. She was on the floor hurt. Other end they call a ticky tack foul on St. Joes on some incidental contact. Wow.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Just checked out the game online. I recognize the two female officials as having been in Hilton before. The third, I couldn't see well enough to tell for sure, but I don't believe I recognize him. Not surprising that they're inconsistent. I think that's a requirement when they apply for an NCAA women's reffing job: "Do you have the ability to ignore hard fouls on one end, then call a hand-check on the other? You do? You're hired!"


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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    I always like the officiating in the men's tourney games for the most part. Women's NCAA needs to pay their officials more and raise the bar.


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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    I don't think paying them more will improve the final result. There needs to be an honest-to-god review system (better than the one that exists only in quotations right now) that actually has consequences for not knowing that a rule violation on one end of the court is a violation on the other end of the court, whatEVER it may be (I'm looking at YOU, Dee Kantner and Jesse Dickerson). Until there is some sort of threat hanging over them to actually be consistent, they have no motivation to even try.


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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster28 View Post
    I don't think paying them more will improve the final result. There needs to be an honest-to-god review system (better than the one that exists only in quotations right now) that actually has consequences for not knowing that a rule violation on one end of the court is a violation on the other end of the court, whatEVER it may be (I'm looking at YOU, Dee Kantner and Jesse Dickerson). Until there is some sort of threat hanging over them to actually be consistent, they have no motivation to even try.
    I agree, until some of these people lose their college job and have to go back to high school games nothing will change. Sad thing is some of these clowns even do the WNBA



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Bad refs appear to be a dime a dozen.


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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    At least the refs only called one foul on isu prior to the foul at the end by moody. Meanwhile we are in the bonus . Take it when u get it I guess



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    At least the refs only called one foul on isu prior to the foul at the end by moody. Meanwhile we are in the bonus . Take it when u get it I guess
    Iowa State has played hands off defense while the Zags are hands-on. They are lucky to not have a lot more.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Another bad call on the out of bounce throw that goes ISU's favor. This is great.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    And a phantom no foul and travel call. Keep them coming.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    This is from page 91 of the 2012 - 2013 NCAA rules. I would say that these rules are ignored 75% of the time. That gives an advantage to a more agressive team.

    Section 1. Personal Fouls
    Art. 1.
    A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an
    opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s) or by bending his
    or her own body into other than a normal position or by using any unreasonably
    rough tactics.
    Art. 2.
    A player shall not contact an opponent with his or her hand unless such
    contact is only with the opponent’s hand while it is on the ball and is incidental
    to an attempt to play the ball.
    Art. 3.
    A player shall not use his or her hand(s) on an opponent to inhibit the
    freedom of movement of the opponent in any way.
    Art. 4.
    A player shall not extend the arm(s) fully or partially other than vertically
    so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the
    arm(s) occurs.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by CySpirit View Post
    This is from page 91 of the 2012 - 2013 NCAA rules. I would say that these rules are ignored 75% of the time. That gives an advantage to a more agressive team.

    Section 1. Personal Fouls
    Art. 1.
    A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an
    opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s) or by bending his
    or her own body into other than a normal position or by using any unreasonably
    rough tactics.
    Art. 2.
    A player shall not contact an opponent with his or her hand unless such
    contact is only with the opponent’s hand while it is on the ball and is incidental
    to an attempt to play the ball.
    Art. 3.
    A player shall not use his or her hand(s) on an opponent to inhibit the
    freedom of movement of the opponent in any way.
    Art. 4.
    A player shall not extend the arm(s) fully or partially other than vertically
    so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the
    arm(s) occurs.
    I think people assume Art. 3 means you cant have your hand on someone.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    I think people assume Art. 3 means you cant have your hand on someone.
    You can use your hands away from the ball primarily in the post to hold you position. But the rules are very clear about hand contact on the dribbler. One hot stove touch to measure up is ok, but anything more than that is a foul.
    Page 109 from the rules.
    Ball Handler or Dribbler
    a.
    Definition. A ball handler or dribbler is any player with player control
    (holding or dribbling) outside the lane area, either facing or with her back to
    the basket. An arm-bar is contact with the forearm that is away from the body.
    b.
    Legal activity. The following are examples of legal activity:
    1. A one hand “measure up” by the defense. This means, one hand (front or
    back of the hand) contacting the ball-handler/dribbler and immediately
    removing that hand. Also known as a “hot stove” touch. This is the
    ONLY hand contact that is legal by the defense and is considered
    incidental.
    2. When a dribbler makes a move past a defender, and the defender’s
    arm, which is against her own body, makes incidental contact with
    the dribbler. Bodies may momentarily touch as long as there is no
    displacement.
    c.
    Illegal contact. A foul shall be called when:
    1. The defender contacts the ball-handler/dribbler ANYTIME with two
    hands.
    2. The defender places a hand (front or back of the hand) on the ball-handler/
    dribbler and keeps it on.
    3. The defender contacts the ball-handler/dribbler more than once with the
    same hand or with alternating hands.
    4. The defender contacts the ball-handler/dribbler with an arm-bar.
    5. Any displacement, holding or pushing occurs by either the offense or
    defense.



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    Re: Bad officiating is everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by CySpirit View Post
    This is from page 91 of the 2012 - 2013 NCAA rules. I would say that these rules are ignored 75% of the time. That gives an advantage to a more agressive team.

    Section 1. Personal Fouls
    Art. 1.
    A player shall not hold, push, charge, trip or impede the progress of an
    opponent by extending arm(s), shoulder(s), hip(s) or knee(s) or by bending his
    or her own body into other than a normal position or by using any unreasonably
    rough tactics.
    Art. 2.
    A player shall not contact an opponent with his or her hand unless such
    contact is only with the opponent’s hand while it is on the ball and is incidental
    to an attempt to play the ball.
    Art. 3.
    A player shall not use his or her hand(s) on an opponent to inhibit the
    freedom of movement of the opponent in any way.
    Art. 4.
    A player shall not extend the arm(s) fully or partially other than vertically
    so that freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the
    arm(s) occurs.
    these rules need to be removed IMMEDIATELY



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