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    Can Hillary Win?

    Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton trails five top Republican presidential contenders in general election match-ups, a drop in support from this summer, according to a poll released on Monday.

    Clinton, trails Republican candidates Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, McCain, and Huckabee by three to five percentage points in the direct matches.

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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Never underestimate the stupidty of large groups of people.


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    That poll is completely unreliable. It is a Zogby Interactive poll of registered online users and has a horrible track record.

    Right now you'd have to say who ever wins the Dem nomination is the odds on favorite to win the General Election. The Republican party and their candidates are a mess.



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    At this point, I think any Democratic candidate will be the favorite, but that can also change quickly. Furthermore, while these types of polls are not very reliable by themselves, it is significant in that it creates an impression among early caucus on primary voters. Those who are on the fence are unlikely to vote for someone that is perceived less competitive. These types of polls reinforce a concern many Democrats have about Clinton, namely that her negatives are very high, and that she has very little room to change them.



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    I think all the Dem candidates are more electable than Hilliary with the obvious exception of Kucinich. I think Biden and Dodd would appeal more to the independent voter and would run-away with the election. Too bad for the Dems that those two don't have any mojo right now.


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    See this is the big problem with democrats. Againt W the first time, they put freaking Al Gore, and then because they just cannot learn from the past, they find the one person on earth that is more boring that Gore and put Kerry up. And now they have Obama and Hillary, they just will NOT learn.

    I mean how bad do you have to be as a party to lose to W not just once but twice???


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Do you know a lot of politicians who aren't boring? Please point them out to me.



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    I mean how bad do you have to be as a party to lose to W not just once but twice???
    You asked the same rhetorical question, phrased slightly differently, a week ago or so. And, you ignored the response.

    In case the reason you ignored the answer to your question was simply indavertence, I will post it for you again: "I believe you can find the answer to that question in the Supreme Court case Bush vs. Gore 531 US 98 (2000)."

    Link: BUSH v. GORE



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    That poll is completely unreliable. It is a Zogby Interactive poll of registered online users and has a horrible track record.

    Right now you'd have to say who ever wins the Dem nomination is the odds on favorite to win the General Election. The Republican party and their candidates are a mess.
    True, all polls should be taken with a grain of salt. However, it stands to reason that the democrat agenda is not being well received by the general public, as the approval rating of a democrat controlled congress is lower than George Bush, which is really saying something. If democrats choose to ignore this neat little fact, it is at their own peril.



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    True, all polls should be taken with a grain of salt. However, it stands to reason that the democrat agenda is not being well received by the general public, as the approval rating of a democrat controlled congress is lower than George Bush, which is really saying something. If democrats choose to ignore this neat little fact, it is at their own peril.
    You need to look at the polls closer. A generic Democrat against a generic Republican wins by 15%.

    Also on the congressional approvals, if it's split out by part the Dems are much higher that the Republicans (albeit still only in the 30's). The low Congressional approval ratings are mainly, in my opinion, because the Dem agenda has been blocked at every turn by either the Republicans in the Senate or the president's veto pen.



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Tremain View Post
    You asked the same rhetorical question, phrased slightly differently, a week ago or so. And, you ignored the response.

    In case the reason you ignored the answer to your question was simply indavertence, I will post it for you again: "I believe you can find the answer to that question in the Supreme Court case Bush vs. Gore 531 US 98 (2000)."

    Link: BUSH v. GORE
    Are you one of those that actually think Gore won? I thought we put this all behind us years ago.


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    You need to look at the polls closer. A generic Democrat against a generic Republican wins by 15%.

    Also on the congressional approvals, if it's split out by part the Dems are much higher that the Republicans (albeit still only in the 30's). The low Congressional approval ratings are mainly, in my opinion, because the Dem agenda has been blocked at every turn by either the Republicans in the Senate or the president's veto pen.
    I believe that most people, myself included see Congress as self-serving, putting their careers ahead of service to constituents and the nation.


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Just think if Gore had won, we might have the SUPERinternet by now!!! Not to mention all those poor fish might not be getting caught in those 6-pack pop can holders. So sad :(



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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    The low Congressional approval ratings are mainly, in my opinion, because the Dem agenda has been blocked at every turn by either the Republicans in the Senate or the president's veto pen.
    I'm sure it has nothing to do with election promises made by the Dems that they knew would never happen.

    I thought the war was supposed to be over by now and gas would be $1/gallon? If you voted for a democrat in 2006 believing that that would happen you probably should lose your right to vote.


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    Re: Can Hillary Win?

    hillary's stupid.



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