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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    That is kinda wierd. 16 wins over the last 2 years. Only 1 loss to a non ranked team this year plus a good win over Clemson. Almost seems like there has to be more to it then lack of performance.


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    In this day and age, you gotta win big and win fast or people want you canned and someone else hired. Every college thinks they are michigan or texas and want it all and want it right now.


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    I heard they are looking at Kirk Ferentz what a joke college football has become, BCS, coaches on such a short leash, its really losing some purity.



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Another winning coach canned. Mark this one down and keep track of how they do over the next 4-5 years.

    Personally, not a fan of Chan though - he didn't exactly do a great job with my Cowboys. But, he seemed to be doing alright at GT.



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    I don't know what you all consider "doing well," but it looks like 2006 was an outlier year:

    2007 - 7-5 (4-4) L to Georgia (bowl game TBD)
    2006 - 9-5 (7-1) L to Georgia; L bowl game (West Virginia)
    2005 - 7-5 (5-3) L to Georgia; L bowl game (Utah)
    2004 - 7-5 (4-4) L to Georgia; W bowl game (Syracuse)
    2003 - 7-6 (4-4) L to Georgia; W bowl game (Tulsa)
    2002 - 7-6 (4-4) L to Georgia; L bowl game (Fresno St)

    The guy apparently had the talent to make noise in the ACC and consistently didn't get it done, had underwhelming performances in bowl games (no wins against big teams), and the guy lost to his major rival (Georgia) the last 6 times they've played. McCarney was feeling heat here for similar results (with the two losing seasons tied in), with the exception that Tech has more history and less toleration for losing than we do. The guy was basically doing a "McCarney" job at Tech with a program with more history and better recruiting lines. After looking at the records over the last 6 years, it doesn't surprise me he's gone.


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    I don't know what you all consider "doing well," but it looks like 2006 was an outlier year:

    2007 - 7-5 (4-4) L to Georgia (bowl game TBD)
    2006 - 9-5 (7-1) L to Georgia; L bowl game (West Virginia)
    2005 - 7-5 (5-3) L to Georgia; L bowl game (Utah)
    2004 - 7-5 (4-4) L to Georgia; W bowl game (Syracuse)
    2003 - 7-6 (4-4) L to Georgia; W bowl game (Tulsa)
    2002 - 7-6 (4-4) L to Georgia; L bowl game (Fresno St)

    The guy apparently had the talent to make noise in the ACC and consistently didn't get it done, had underwhelming performances in bowl games (no wins against big teams), and the guy lost to his major rival (Georgia) the last 6 times they've played. McCarney was feeling heat here for similar results (with the two losing seasons tied in), with the exception that Tech has more history and less toleration for losing than we do. The guy was basically doing a "McCarney" job at Tech with a program with more history and better recruiting lines. After looking at the records over the last 6 years, it doesn't surprise me he's gone.
    A "McCarney" job??? Are you kidding me??? Gailey had an overall winning record GT, didn't have one losing season overall or in conference, and had been to a bowl every year of his tenure there. If DM had pulled that at ISU, he'd still be the coach.


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    Personally, not a fan of Chan though - he didn't exactly do a great job with my Cowboys. But, he seemed to be doing alright at GT.
    Maybe if Chan actually got to coach the Cowboys, they might have done better...


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    A "McCarney" job??? Are you kidding me??? Gailey had an overall winning record GT, didn't have one losing season overall or in conference, and had been to a bowl every year of his tenure there. If DM had pulled that at ISU, he'd still be the coach.
    There are differences, yes. And I'll admit - subtract 1995-1999, when McCarney was still trying to "right the ship," he has a 43-44 record from 2000-2006, while Gailey has a 44-32 record over the same span.

    But answer this - let's assume that from 2000-2006 McCarney has the 9-3 record in 2000, but pulls 7-6 every year after that and we manage to go to Shreveport, Boise, or Houston year in and year out. He'd have a 44-33 record over that time span, but he'd be on a hot seat simply because of all the whining that goes on this site due to the fact that we repetitively went to Shreveport, Boise, or Houston year after year. We'd be really upset that McCarney wasn't taking us to the next level, especially when we had the talent to win the Big XII North and to get to better bowl games. Basically that's what Gailey was doing at Georgia Tech - he had the talent to go to major bowl games and compete in the ACC year in and year out, and instead, with the exception of last year's 9-5, he kept on crapping out with 7 win seasons and unimpressive bowls. Exclude the rebuilding job McCarney had to undertake and the two losing seasons of 2003 and 2006 and it's eerily similar - the failure to meet expectations and bring the program to the "next level."


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Maybe if Chan actually got to coach the Cowboys, they might have done better...
    What are you talking about? He was on the sidelines for every game - 100% of the game. Jerry was only down there...like...90% of the time.



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    There are differences, yes. And I'll admit - subtract 1995-1999, when McCarney was still trying to "right the ship," he has a 43-44 record from 2000-2006, while Gailey has a 44-32 record over the same span.

    But answer this
    What's there to answer? CG had winning overall and conference records, DM didn't. CG went to a bowl game every season, DM didn't. DM had two meltdown seasons over that time frame, and CG didn't. Basing your argument on a hypothetical situation rather than the actual situation that occured seems rather pointless.

    Regarding GT's history, of the 6 coaches that have spanned the last 30 years of Georgia Tech FB, only two have winning records, and one is CG. That isn't exactly stellar recent tradition. It just seems rather harsh to me to fire a head coach who's never had a losing season (and been to a bowl game every year) after six seasons, especially when the prior season was very good. I hope it works out for Georgia Tech.


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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    I'm with ya jbh...impatience sometimes sets you much farther back. It could very well be the case at GT.

    Take Mizzou for example. That guy was on a very hot seat after last season. I thought he be canned, many felt he would be. Fortunately for Mizzou, the AD stayed the course. Anyone think they'd be #1 in the nation right now with a new coaching staff?

    It took the Steelers quite a while to get over the hump with Cowher, but they did. Sometimes patience pays off and sometimes it doesn't (D-Mac for example). But when a program fired a coach after a winning season and a guy that has an overall winning record, you gotta scratch your head at least a little bit.



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    2007 - L to Georgia
    2006 - L to Georgia
    2005 - L to Georgia
    2004 - L to Georgia
    2003 - L to Georgia
    2002 - L to Georgia
    Fixed that for you to reflect what really matters to GT fans (and to illustrate why, IMO, he was fired)



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    If you don't beat your rivals, then you won't keep your job. Just look at Lloyd Carr. I am sure everyone would take a 8-4 record here but at a lot of top programs, it doesn't matter what your record is if you can't beat your rivals. So Chan Gailey going 0-5 to UGA was probably his downfall.



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    Re: FB: Chan Gailey fired at Georgia Tech

    Furthermore, there are several more aspects that differ Georgia Tech from Iowa State:

    1. History - Georgia Tech has a football tradition us Cyclone fans can only dream about (for right now). They have 4 national championships (1917, 1928, 1952, and 1990) and major bowl victories (to include Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Cotton). How close have we ever come to winning a national title? I think when we finally win a bowl game that's better than the Insight.com bowl we can start at least conversing.

    2. The previous coach, George O'Leary, went 52-33 over 7 years, a much better winning percentage than Gailey. He also won a conference title in 1998.

    Between those two factors the expectation to win and have extreme success is much greater in Atlanta than anything we can even imagine at this point. When you're in the smack-dab middle of a hotbed for recruiting, and you're getting the talent, and you're expected to compete for and win conference titles, and you're not, especially after 6 years, your head is going to roll. But here's the final kicker:

    3. As you being someone who wants to have Iowa off of Iowa St's schedule, you clearly don't get the importance of the in-state rival game, even if it's out of conference. While Georgia has Florida as a rival and Georgia Tech has their rivals, the Georgia-Georgia Tech game means EVERYTHING down there. Gailey did not beat Georgia once in his tenure. That is unacceptable to a lot of people in Atlanta. It was said during the broadcast that his winless record against Georgia was one of the reasons why he was on the hot seat, and if he had beaten Georgia on Saturday his odds of sticking around Tech were much better. He lost, making him 0-6 against Georgia, and subsequently lost his job.

    Expectations were huge for Gailey at Georgia Tech. Although he had a winning record overall, he was not meeting expectations, and he was let go. Let's put this in perspective - if Chizik pulls the same kind of record that Gailey did at Tech, 5 7-6 seasons with 1 9-5 season, with numerous appearances to Shreveport, Houston, and other bowls, are we going to be excited about keeping Chizik around for another year? Probably not. Why should the folks in Atlanta be expected to do so when they have much higher expectations than us?


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