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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    The botched call that resulted in Withey's 3rd foul was more impactful than the play in the last few seconds. Withey was forced to sit for several minutes and then again when a poor officiating decision resulted in his 4th foul. The ironic part about that last play was that up until then Niang had been on the receiving end of several generous calls.
    I'm sure you would also advocate that elijah johnson was just playing hard to the final whistle.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    The botched call that resulted in Withey's 3rd foul was more impactful than the play in the last few seconds. Withey was forced to sit for several minutes and then again when a poor officiating decision resulted in his 4th foul. The ironic part about that last play was that up until then Niang had been on the receiving end of several generous calls.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    The botched call that resulted in Withey's 3rd foul was more impactful than the play in the last few seconds. Withey was forced to sit for several minutes and then again when a poor officiating decision resulted in his 4th foul. The ironic part about that last play was that up until then Niang had been on the receiving end of several generous calls.
    You can take back that foul on withey and add about 5 obvious fouls on withey that weren't called.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    The botched call that resulted in Withey's 3rd foul was more impactful than the play in the last few seconds. Withey was forced to sit for several minutes and then again when a poor officiating decision resulted in his 4th foul. The ironic part about that last play was that up until then Niang had been on the receiving end of several generous calls.
    In theory, you're right. But how Withey would have played is truly a hypothetical situation. For all we know, we could have shut him down and widened our lead. Because of that, you can't possibly say that that call had more of an impact, because, the no-call on the charge, on the last KU possession, truly did lead to KU winning. If that would have been called, I would say there's a 97% chance we win. If they would have made a different call on the play you are referring to, the game is still wide open


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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Not sure if posted elsewhere, but here's what was said on PTI:

    Iowa State Hosed? PTI 2/26/2013 - YouTube


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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by clonefromNE View Post
    Not sure if posted elsewhere, but here's what was said on PTI:

    Iowa State Hosed? PTI 2/26/2013 - YouTube
    Someone should go post that over on phog.net.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    Was Fred referring to the charge that resulted in Withey's 3rd foul. Because that wasn't a particularly good defensive play. He did get rewarded for it though.
    JAYHAWKS ARE THE VICTIMS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

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    JAYHAWKS ARE THE VICTIMS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    They always are...according to them.
    Ever listen to them boo at AFH? One of the mot ignorant and unintelligent fanbases out there.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by stevefrench View Post
    I'm sure you would also advocate that elijah johnson was just playing hard to the final whistle.
    No, Elijah should have just dribbled it out. He said as much in the postgame.

    There was a pivotal sequence in the first half totally screwed up by the officials. Johnson drives to the basket and lays it up. Ejim comes from behind and clearly gets the ball on the way down. No goaltending call. The ball is subsequently passed ahead to Clyburn who takes three steps before dribbling. Foul called on Releford. McGee then hits a 3. Two missed calls by the officials result in 5 point swing for Iowa State.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by aeroclone View Post
    I actually had a KU coworker walk up to me and admit that we got screwed on several calls and should have won the game. I was shocked.
    That right there is a RARE KU fan.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by JackCyclone View Post
    That right there is a RARE KU fan.
    Very true

    No, Elijah should have just dribbled it out. He said as much in the postgame.

    There was a pivotal sequence in the first half totally screwed up by the officials. Johnson drives to the basket and lays it up. Ejim comes from behind and clearly gets the ball on the way down. No goaltending call. The ball is subsequently passed ahead to Clyburn who takes three steps before dribbling. Foul called on Releford. McGee then hits a 3. Two missed calls by the officials result in 5 point swing for Iowa State.
    ^^This is what you get from the typical KU fan



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    No, Elijah should have just dribbled it out. He said as much in the postgame.

    There was a pivotal sequence in the first half totally screwed up by the officials. Johnson drives to the basket and lays it up. Ejim comes from behind and clearly gets the ball on the way down. No goaltending call. The ball is subsequently passed ahead to Clyburn who takes three steps before dribbling. Foul called on Releford. McGee then hits a 3. Two missed calls by the officials result in 5 point swing for Iowa State.
    You can reset every call that in you think was a bad call in your mind but the fact is the refs clearly made bad calls, and incorrect calls at the most critical point in the game that directly lead to KU points. This has been verified by neutral parties that have more bball knowledge than you.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    There was also the blatant missed goaltending call late in the game where an ISU player pulled on the net. Cost KU two points.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    I don't want to play KU you again. They will just screw us again. Have you guys not seen the last 20 years of kU vs ISI games. You could put together a 40 minute highlight film of the refs taking cash money from ku and the big 12.
    I do actually want to play them again, but you are totally right. There was nothing unique about that game. All you have to do is go back and watch the last five minutes of the game in Lawrence. We had a decent lead and the refs made every call that they could to make sure that KU came back and were in position for that banked in three. If it weren't for the refs, they wouldn't have even had been in that position. But I still want to play them and kick the **** out of them. No way Johnson shoots like that again in his life. And our guys know how to handle Withey.



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    Re: Hoiberg to be on Katz conner @ 3:30pm - ESPNU

    Quote Originally Posted by ChampFantana View Post
    No, Elijah should have just dribbled it out. He said as much in the postgame.

    There was a pivotal sequence in the first half totally screwed up by the officials. Johnson drives to the basket and lays it up. Ejim comes from behind and clearly gets the ball on the way down. No goaltending call. The ball is subsequently passed ahead to Clyburn who takes three steps before dribbling. Foul called on Releford. McGee then hits a 3. Two missed calls by the officials result in 5 point swing for Iowa State.
    This here is how a moron thinks: "Hey, I bet those ISU guys are pretty ticked off after they were screwed out of a victory. I should go and try to list out bad calls I think went against Kansas. We'll al cyberhug and be best buddies, because I'm awesome."

    See, zippy, for every call you think you can list that went against your guys, we have ten legitimate failures in officiating that impacted our team. Your common cause here doesn't work. It's condescending. It's illogical. It's flat out wrong, and you're stupid for making that effort.


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