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    Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    I know there is video but here is a GIF of it. Not great quality, I used gifsoup and the video in this link VIDEO: Will controversial sequence in KU-ISU game spur more change? - CBSSports.com if anyone wants to shell out 5 bucks to make it HD.

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4558955/********-o.gif


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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence




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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Also two still photos of Niang's defense:



    Notice his right foot has barely moved at all. He had position when the PG was 5 feet away.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    If that's not a charge I don't know what is.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    For me its not so much the missed charge call. I'm OK with letting the players play and not have the refs determine the outcome of the game. My problem is the ticky tack call on Niang on the lose ball, especially when the lose ball was a direct result of the charge play where you decided to not blow your whistle.

    You either let the players play or you call fouls.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Bad calls all around last night. Got screwed on the charge no call, but KU got screwed on at least two phantom traveling calls late in the game, also had an obvious no-call charge against them, a charge late in the game where the ISU guy was definitely moving. ISU went ice cold when it mattered and put up some bad shots, KU got hot when it mattered and closed it out.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo View Post
    Bad calls all around last night. Got screwed on the charge no call, but KU got screwed on at least two phantom traveling calls late in the game, also had an obvious no-call charge against them, a charge late in the game where the ISU guy was definitely moving. ISU went ice cold when it mattered and put up some bad shots, KU got hot when it mattered and closed it out.
    This is what lost us the game, not the refs. If we took better shots, we win the game.


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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by cmjh10 View Post
    This is what lost us the game, not the refs. If we took better shots, we win the game.
    They were both important parts of us losing.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    noticed who shoved Lucious out of the way to tip the ball and keep it alive... Withey, who should be fouled out at this point.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    For me its not so much the missed charge call. I'm OK with letting the players play and not have the refs determine the outcome of the game.
    Here's the thing though - not making that call isn't "letting the players play and not having the refs determine the outcome". By not making that call the refs are determining the outcome - letting the Kansas player get away with an obvious foul is just as unfair to the spirit of the game as anything else.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo View Post
    Bad calls all around last night. Got screwed on the charge no call, but KU got screwed on at least two phantom traveling calls late in the game, also had an obvious no-call charge against them, a charge late in the game where the ISU guy was definitely moving. ISU went ice cold when it mattered and put up some bad shots, KU got hot when it mattered and closed it out.
    Phantom traveling calls? KU could have been called for traveling about 2x as much



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by cmjh10 View Post
    This is what lost us the game, not the refs. If we took better shots, we win the game.
    I agree to an extent, but certain calls could affect the shots we take.

    For instance, one could argue that had Withey fouled out on his actual 5th foul, we could have gotten a few better looks down low. To say the refs had no impact is pretty ignorant, imho.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by Tailg8er View Post
    I agree to an extent, but certain calls could affect the shots we take.

    For instance, one could argue that had Withey fouled out on his actual 5th foul, we could have gotten a few better looks down low. To say the refs had no impact is pretty ignorant, imho.
    I guess I should have said that the refs didnt lose us the game as much as bad shots.

    We attacked Withey several times, but the players would fade away from him, then trying to jump into him to get him his 5th foul.


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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    I don't know as an official if I'da called a charge when he's as wide as he is with his feet. That in my opinion was an ok no-call. If you don't call something there however you surely can't call the "foul" afterwards.

    Babb's loose ball foul was infinitely worse of a call IMO.



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    Re: Final Play GIF if you need evidence

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    I don't know as an official if I'da called a charge when he's as wide as he is with his feet. That in my opinion was an ok no-call. If you don't call something there however you surely can't call the "foul" afterwards.

    Babb's loose ball foul was infinitely worse of a call IMO.
    If you're using feet width as a judgment on your block/charge calls and stating that it was an ok no-call then I certainly hope you're sticking to the 4th grade girls reffing circuit.


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