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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    why does everyone hit threes against us ? up by 5 with 40 seconds left AGAIN.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    I understand the frustration with our D, but that wasn't the problem tonight, otherwise you should be saying Self should learn how to coach better D, KU is best def team in the Big 12 statiscally. When guys are hitting 28 ft shots like that, what can you do besides make your FTs, which we did for the most part. When the refs do what they did, it blows up the game plan. The game plan was perfect tonight, and it showed. Our plan was to outscore them in a shootout and we did. Take th 8-12 ref points out and we come away with a really nice win. We'll always be this type of team with a spread offense and one or two good man on man def, thinking Okoro will slide into Babb's role next year.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Obviously people are talking about the blown call and rightfully so, but I really do think our D will be the bigger story looking back. We shouldn't of even got to the position where that call was that important. We gave up way to many easy baskets, and when we don't win playing these high scoring games its a problem.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Our defense is not good, but we have really suffered from (1) opponents making some insane shots, (2) we have an especially hard time getting rebounds with our lack of size when the refs swallow the whistles at the end of games.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    Just counted, in the 4 conference games where Iowa State has been ahead or within 1 possession with 2:00 to go, we have 4 stops in 4 games. We get 1 stop per game inside 2:00. You won't win basketball games that way.
    This is my point. I'm not saying bring back McDoormat. I love Fred and love that he's brought us back.

    I'm just saying that unless we start trying to get some stops we'll always be a fun team to watch, but we'll keep losing games down the stretch because you have to get stops against KU to beat a them. The same can be said on the road, but the difference is bad D can make a bottom half B12 team look like the Heat when you're playing in their arena.

    Look at our losses. We aren't losing because we're not scoring enough.

    Maybe he'll eventually recruit such great athletes that they'll just get stops because they're great athletes.


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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    While the officiating absolutely screwed us, if you hit 17 threes and only have 8 TOs you should win. Our defense is suspect at best. With that said, other teams ability to hit contested threes against us in the last minute of games is unreal.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    why does everyone hit threes against us ? up by 5 with 40 seconds left AGAIN.
    Because playing ISU is like playing street ball/horse. We get into shootouts and the opponent gets confident.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by brokenloginagain View Post
    There's never been an elite eight team with a kenpom def efficiency >30. Ours is >100. Long term we have to improve d if we want to get to the level we all want.

    Sad but true - but if history shows us anything (no matter how short it is) Fred will get this fixed too. I'm still optimistic about the future and rest of this season. But you can be dang sure if we get those refs again for our remaining games, there will be he!! to pay.


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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    It isn't just the opponents hitting insane shots. Look at some of the garbage we get to fall as well. It all evens out.

    I'm not 100% sure defense is the problem. I think our problem is changing our philosophy trying to close out games. Don't get me wrong our defense is terrible closing games, but we try to be a half court team who scores with 2 left on the shot clock when you're really easy to defend instead of just continuing on with what got you the lead for the first 38 minutes.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaCy View Post
    Letting a poor outside shooting team like KU knock down 54% overall and 52% from three in your own building won't win you many of those games, regardless of what the refs are calling.
    i really dont care about the stats. WE won this game


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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    He's a young coach. He will hopefully learn from this season, that if you can't play D, you'll always be asking yourself "what just happened" at the end of these games.

    You let the opposition gain confidence when they score every time down the court. Teams that can't score, seem to have record nights against us.

    If you look at the games we've lost in the B12, we played extremely well offensively and hit a crazy amount of 3's in most of our losses. But at the end of the game, we can't get a stop and they opposition can.
    I think this is exactly right. You can score all you want, but at some point when the shots aren't falling, what do you have to fall back on? I'm not saying we have to be a lockdown team like Floyd's or Eustachy's teams were, but we give up big shot after big shot after big shot. Everyone in the building knows its coming and we still can't stop it. Once in awhile you have to get a stop or two.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    It isn't just the opponents hitting insane shots. Look at some of the garbage we get to fall as well. It all evens out.

    I'm not 100% sure defense is the problem. I think our problem is changing our philosophy trying to close out games. Don't get me wrong our defense is terrible closing games, but we try to be a half court team who scores with 2 left on the shot clock when you're really easy to defend instead of just continuing on with what got you the lead for the first 38 minutes.
    Our problem is we don't have a presence inside, especially when Ejim is out. That should change between one of the two JUCO bigs next year. Niang is not a defensive presence. He's alright on the ball and he takes charges but no one is worried about him blocking shots. We just don't have anyone in there and we just aren't good enough and stopping penetration. The frustrating thing is more often than not, Babb shuts someone down but someone else goes off because everyone else is average. Then tonight, credit to Johnson and Releford, they made some tough shots. You still shouldn't lose scoring 90 and Fred needs to take some of the onus on that. I felt Booker should have played a little more in the second half because he is a guy that could perhaps get in the way. I also agree with changing philosophy and for the life of me, I can't figure out why McGee isn't isolated at least sometimes.


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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    Just counted, in the 4 conference games where Iowa State has been ahead or within 1 possession with 2:00 to go, we have 4 stops in 4 games. We get 1 stop per game inside 2:00. You won't win basketball games that way.
    Serious question, does the info you have mention anything about the number of fouls on Niang and Ejim in those situations? It really hurts us to have Ejim and Niang on the bench at the same time since Booker and Gibson aren't that effective. Ejim fouling out really killed us on the glass and took away a physical (though admittedly undersized) presence in the paint.


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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    I hate the "We shouldn't have gotten into this position" crowd. No, no, no, no, oh, and did I say no? Whoever scores more at the end of the game wins. We had more points until the refs came in and gave KU a bundle of freebies right at the end. We shouldn't have to score an extra 10 just so the refs can't have a chance to screw us over. This isn't the first time we've had to be double digit points better than KU just beat them. As far as I'm concerned we beat KU tonight by at least 2 points, but the conference had other ideas.

    Also our D isn't the problem. All of Johnson's shots were well defended, contested shots that were way outside the arc. Sometimes a guy is just firing, hell look at McGee.



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    Re: I hope Fred puts more emphasis on D in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by digZ View Post
    I hate the "We shouldn't have gotten into this position" crowd. No, no, no, no, oh, and did I say no? Whoever scores more at the end of the game wins. We had more points until the refs came in and gave KU a bundle of freebies right at the end. We shouldn't have to score an extra 10 just so the refs can't have a chance to screw us over. This isn't the first time we've had to be double digit points better than KU just beat them. As far as I'm concerned we beat KU tonight by at least 2 points, but the conference had other ideas.

    Also our D isn't the problem. All of Johnson's shots were well defended, contested shots that were way outside the arc. Sometimes a guy is just firing, hell look at McGee.
    There's nothing wrong with saying we absolutely got screwed - we did - while still saying we could have avoided it. If we are just marginally better on defense we probably win 2 or 3 or 4 of these games we've lost in the last minutes or OT. We're not talking about a Eustachy-style bludgeoning defense. Just marginal improvement.



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