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    Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    OK...of GMac and Chiz...based upon what you have seen of both, which do you believe will find success at ISU 1st and who will be most likely to sustain success (hopefully both can do it, but if not, who is more likely)?

    My definition of short term success is 7+ wins in a given year for Football and 20+ wins in a given year for BBall. Long term success is defined as a bowl game or NCAA tourny 3 out of every 4 years ongoing.

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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Football has a chance to get to a bowl game next year, in my opinion. The KU disaster aside, I was really encouraged by the last half of the season. The team that showed up against Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas State (and to a lesser extent CU) can rack up 6 wins next year.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Well, since lower teir bowl games are comparable to the NIT, I would say that Chizik will probably find success first. I think we MAY reach the NIT next year in basketball but the football will have a very good shot at making a mid level bowl game, especially if we can find a couple of good DT's that can step in and play. I see us making some good bowl games in the near future and unfortunately I don't see us becoming a consistant NCAA team for quite a few (4-5) years.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    OK...of GMac and Chiz...based upon what you have seen of both, which do you believe will find success at ISU 1st and who will be most likely to sustain success (hopefully both can do it, but if not, who is more likely)?

    My definition of short term success is 7+ wins in a given year for Football and 20+ wins in a given year for BBall. Long term success is defined as a bowl game or NCAA tourny 3 out of every 4 years ongoing.

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    chizik without a doubt. It will be YEARS before real success in basketball.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    6 wins doesn't meet my criteria of short term FB success since 6 wins seems to be the very definition of avg. since we moved to 12 games. It would be huge improvement over year 1 and a great next step, but when do you expect/hope to be able to break out with a 7+ win year??



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    I lean towards Chiz as well at this point. Seems like we may be changing from a "BBall school to a FB school" in the near future.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    I lean towards Chiz as well at this point. Seems like we may be changing from a "BBall school to a FB school" in the near future.
    It was a lot more exciting watching football at the end of the year than it is watching basketball now.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    You got to be nuts if you think it is going to be YEARS before there is improvement in BB. And a 20 win BB season would be more comparable to a 8-9 win FB season with 12 games. BB will be there before FB.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    It was a lot more exciting watching football at the end of the year than it is watching basketball now.
    Exactly...I'm trying to pinpoint in my own mind why that is. Why do I have so much optimism for Football right now, but a sense of apathy regarding Basketball? Is it because we've "been there" in basketball so to watch us struggle just creates apathy? We haven't "been there" in football so the thought of getting there and seeing some improvement on the field creates optimism??



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by hort4cy View Post
    You got to be nuts if you think it is going to be YEARS before there is improvement in BB. And a 20 win BB season would be more comparable to a 8-9 win FB season with 12 games. BB will be there before FB.
    Maybe. Depends on the recruits panning out. I like our future backcourt with Buckley and Garrett splitting time at the point, as well as Staiger and Eikmeier at the 2 and Wes at the 3, but Brackins needs help down low, and I'm not sure Hamilton/Mann will be it.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by hort4cy View Post
    You got to be nuts if you think it is going to be YEARS before there is improvement in BB. And a 20 win BB season would be more comparable to a 8-9 win FB season with 12 games. BB will be there before FB.
    What have you seen the over the last 35 games that makes you think that? I really don't see us making back to back tourneys untill 2011, 2012, 2013ish, IF we get the class we are all hoping for...



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    Quote Originally Posted by hort4cy View Post
    You got to be nuts if you think it is going to be YEARS before there is improvement in BB. And a 20 win BB season would be more comparable to a 8-9 win FB season with 12 games. BB will be there before FB.
    I agree completely. BB has only 5 guys on the court at once, and they are playing offense and defense. Just two players can completely change the appearance and success of a basketball team. Anyone that doesn't think that having everyone on the current BB team healthy and able to play wouldn't make a difference just does not understand the game. Everyone has to remember that besides Wes and Lucca being out, Juri and Clark are still not at full speed. My biggest disappointment is the play of Thompson and Haluska(sp).



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    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    I agree completely. BB has only 5 guys on the court at once, and they are playing offense and defense. Just two players can completely change the appearance and success of a basketball team. Anyone that doesn't think that having everyone on the current BB team healthy and able to play wouldn't make a difference just does not understand the game. Everyone has to remember that besides Wes and Lucca being out, Juri and Clark are still not at full speed. My biggest disappointment is the play of Thompson and Haluska(sp).
    Haluska should not be a big disappointment because there is no way he should have started.

    Fans are going to be more fickle with a basketball team that finished as high as #3 in 2000. Some really great success hasn't left the mind of Cyclone fans, so seeing play like last night cuts a little deeper.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    I think Chizik has a decent chance at getting 7 wins next season. Especially if we see the continued improvement that we saw this year translate into next year. We don't have Texas and Oklahoma on the schedule for the next two years, and Nebraska, Baylor, and Texas A&M will be looking at new coaches most likely, so they may not be up to par yet either. So, I think Chizik can win 7 games next season, and maybe 8-9 the season after that. I would consider that success for us at this point.

    Basketball is harder to gage where we are at. I like where we are headed with Brackins, Wesley, Staiger, Garrett, and Buckley coming in. I still think we'll get close to 18 wins this season once we get healthy and get Wesley and Staiger in the line-up. Our bigs are going to be a weakness overall for the next couple of years, IMO, which will prevent us from having sustained success for a while. Of course we could all be wrong and be proved wrong... even before this season is over. But as of this moment, we won't have sustained success in BB for a few years.

    Chizik will get there before GMac, a lot of that has to do with scheduling.



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    Re: Which coach will find success 1st...GMac or Chiz?

    I don't know what football team some of you were watching this fall but we are not winning 7 games next season. Yes we won 2 Big 12 games and played well down the stretch despite losing still but we lose 2 starting linebackers, 2 interior defensive linemen, and 4 year starters at QB and WR which is some valuable experience that you just can't make up for right away. Can't expect inexpirenced players to come right in and perform consistently. As much as I like what I have seen from Arnaud he is going to have his ups and downs next year I'm sure.

    I'm thinking in year 3 of both coach's tenure they both make it to postseason play. If we get healthy and get Staiger eligible I think we have an outside shot at the NIT this year with a strong showing in the Big 12 possibly. I hope I'm wrong and it happens sooner but I'm a realist and I think sometimes people here over-value the talent we have here and get carried away at times. We had people thinking as many as 6 to 8 wins this season even and look how that turned out. I can be patient to let these 2 coaches build their programs the right way to sustain long term success over shooting for the quick turn around that can't be sustained in the long run.


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