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    Envy

    15K in Carver-Hawkeye tonight. The atmosphere looked insane on TV.

    Is there any chance we get near that level again?



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    Re: Envy

    umm sat night...



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    umm sat night...
    Different sport. Obviously we will have a better atmosphere for our basketball game than they did for their wrestling meet.

    But back to the original question: it would take us becoming relevant in wrestling again. Being on the verge of being ranked isn't doing us any good in a sport with much fewer participants, where we have been dominant in the past. In short, yes. But it would take an improvement in the team to do so.



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by NEICyFan View Post
    15K in Carver-Hawkeye tonight. The atmosphere looked insane on TV.

    Is there any chance we get near that level again?
    I don't see it. I don't follow wrestling closely, but my impression is it is a dying sport currently. So even with success at ISU, I don't see the fan base coming back to what it once was. It is much harder to win back fans than it would have been to maintain the fan base like Iowa did.

    I could be wrong, and the support could be there. I just don't see it.



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by NEICyFan View Post
    15K in Carver-Hawkeye tonight. The atmosphere looked insane on TV.

    Is there any chance we get near that level again?

    Considering the reference to Carver-Hawkeye, I hope we don't ever get to the level of 15,000 doosh-nozzle fans in attendance cheering for the Cyclones.

    But that's just me....



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    Re: Envy

    We can get near the level but not until we fire Kevin Jackson and find someone who can bring life back into the wrestling program. We need to recruit the state much better and not let Iowa get the first pick of Iowa's top wrestlers.


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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanj6502 View Post
    I don't see it. I don't follow wrestling closely, but my impression is it is a dying sport currently. So even with success at ISU, I don't see the fan base coming back to what it once was. It is much harder to win back fans than it would have been to maintain the fan base like Iowa did.

    I could be wrong, and the support could be there. I just don't see it.
    It's not a dying sport overall but I can see where someone in the Big 12 might see it as dying considering the Big 12 went from a very good wrestling league with lots of wrestling schools to a not very good wrestling league with few wrestling schools. It will never be as big (or even close) as basketball even at a place like Iowa. I'd put it's importance on par with college hockey or womens basketball.



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    Re: Envy

    I doubt it. Like many things ISU that sport for us has simply taken too many kicks to the junk.

    Twist it however you like - when Sanderson left us it may have been the final straw. I mean how many Gables can go through.



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNation18 View Post
    We can get near the level but not until we fire Kevin Jackson and find someone who can bring life back into the wrestling program. We need to recruit the state much better and not let Iowa get the first pick of Iowa's top wrestlers.
    FIRE KEVIN JACKSON... I agree one hundred percent with that assessment. Until we er JP hires a wrestling coach who can recruit world class wrestlers we at ISU will continue to SUCK in Wrestling.

    I watched the ASU meet last nite and I thought that years ago under Nichols/ Gibbons/ Sanderson we would have blown arizona state right outta the building. We have guys wrestling for us now that in our good old days would never have been offered a spot on our wrestling team.

    Until We at Ia State hire a great wrestling coach we will continue to be a second class program.



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    Re: Envy

    When ISU wrestling was at its peak, what kind of attendance did we see? I do not mean the Iowa dual, but against other B12 teams?



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    It's not a dying sport overall but I can see where someone in the Big 12 might see it as dying considering the Big 12 went from a very good wrestling league with lots of wrestling schools to a not very good wrestling league with few wrestling schools. It will never be as big (or even close) as basketball even at a place like Iowa. I'd put it's importance on par with college hockey or womens basketball.
    Womens basketball and volleyball have a much larger following nationwide than wrestling. I would even put wrestling below hockey as well. People in Iowa (especially Iowa fans) tend to drastically overestimate wrestling as a national sport.

    And actually when you look at the number of collegiate wrestling programs from the last 30 years to now it is a dying sport at the collegiate level. There are lots of schools adding other sports but wrestling isn't one of those sports being added.



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    Re: Envy

    I'd say FB>mbb>wbb>baseball then slightly below that hockey, volleyball, and wrestling are pretty close...



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    Re: Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by FarminCy View Post
    Womens basketball and volleyball have a much larger following nationwide than wrestling. I would even put wrestling below hockey as well. People in Iowa (especially Iowa fans) tend to drastically overestimate wrestling as a national sport.

    And actually when you look at the number of collegiate wrestling programs from the last 30 years to now it is a dying sport at the collegiate level. There are lots of schools adding other sports but wrestling isn't one of those sports being added.
    I agree with you about women's basketball having a larger following, but definitely not volleyball. It just doesn't draw that many fans. Even when you have two highly ranked teams playing each other you can see on TV that there are very few fans in attendance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by psyclone51 View Post
    When ISU wrestling was at its peak, what kind of attendance did we see? I do not mean the Iowa dual, but against other B12 teams?
    As far as I can tell, there's only been one non-Iowa dual to draw over 10K at Hilton.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FarminCy View Post
    There are lots of schools adding other sports but wrestling isn't one of those sports being added.

    This is patently FALSE. Wrestling is actually *growning* at the collegiate level. The growth isn't among the big schools but at the DII/DIII and NAIA level.



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