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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    I read through this thread hoping for an explanation, but there isn't one. That foul put us in the bonus. It wasn't a player control foul, because the OSU player wasn't driving with the ball out of control. It was an over the back, just like on a rebound. Unless there is some other explanation, Babb should have been shooting FTs.

    But it shouldn't have even come to that after all the other crappy calls (crazy 4th foul on Melvin, Melvin getting hacked before Forte stole the ball, Mcgee getting shoved before the ball arrived, etc.).

    Read a few post backs. It is a player control foul. It was the right call. However, we should have inbounded the ball from the same spot.


    Now that MBB is back, do we still have to pretend that WBB matters?

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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by milrtym View Post
    Here is the difference to basically the vary same play.

    We shot it so our team no longer has possession. Thus that over the back on Clyburn is a "loose ball foul." Free throws are given.

    Because a team had control and passed it to a teammate and Babb is fouled before he touches it then it is considered a "team control foul" Under that classification bonus free throws are not given.
    Okay. I'll buy this explanation.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyfan964 View Post
    Definition of player control foul:

    A player-control foul is an offensive foul committed by the player/team in control of the ball (OSU inbounded). The most often seen PC foul is for what most people call a charge, even though this is not the technically correct term. This type of foul never results in free throws for the offended team, even if he offended team is in the "bonus" or "double bonus."
    Here's what I found on this "Team control is an NCAA women's mechanic and it is signified with a fist punch. It is treated the same way as a PC foul, no bonus free-throws awarded."

    Is this part of the men's game too? Further research I guess so.


    Last edited by ExCyment; 01-30-2013 at 09:46 PM.

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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    My understanding is that on a rebound neither team has the possession. The foul then is a loose ball foul and results in free throws. But on the inbound OSU has possession, And Iowa State had to gain control prior to the foul in order to be shooting free throws... sounds like that is rule, and that sounds like a dumb rule... inbounds should be a loose ball



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    On the Clyburn foul with no possession there were shots. On the foul against Babb there were none.

    Why?

    OSU was gagging on ref schlong before the game.
    I didn't understand the free throws on the Clyburn foul. Should have just been OSU ball.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Something I just thought about. Why is it that every time ISU plays OSU, there is some tragedy that week surrounding OSU? The plane crash in 2011, there was something that happened during the week this past season in football, and either yesterday or the day before, T. Boone Pickens III died mysteriously nwhile attending TCU.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by tyler24 View Post
    If I am correct, the clock stayed at 1.7 seconds. This means the ball wasn't touched and should not have been moved.

    This. We should have taken the ball out from in front of our own bench.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    This is completely wrong. That was the 7th foul, so we were in the Bonus. Still haven't heard any viable explanation.

    If we should have been in the bonus, then I am wrong. I wasn't keeping count of fouls. What I recall is seeing no "bonus" on the broadcast scoreboard until after the foul on Babb.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    It's too bad most people on this board dont actually know the rules and are going off of what they have seen growing up...most of you have no idea what is actually in the rule book...



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    But, they were already in the bonus, so they get the free throws for that reason, not having the ball.

    Two different rules being applied.

    1. In the bonus, any foul results in free throws. Clyburn's foul.
    2. Player control fouls in the backcourt result in free throws, if you have possession (which Babb didn't), regardless of whether you are in the bonus.
    Huh? Why do I think you're wrong on both accounts?



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    My question is:

    If we didn't have control of the ball (and the foul happened before Babb even touched the ball), why didn't we get to take it out in front of our bench? The ball never got into play, so shouldn't the change of possession take place at the point where they inbounded the ball rather than where the foul occurred?
    No.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllInForISU View Post
    No.
    There are a few on other threads who posted the same thing as me. If no time went off the clock, then the foul must have occurred before the ball was in play. Therefore, it should go back to the spot where the in-bounds pass was made.

    I actually checked the rulebook on this and couldn't find a clear statement. It seems to me that it would be the same as an in-bounds pass that gets thrown out of bounds without anyone touching it. The ball goes back to where it was thrown in, doesn't it? The only difference here is that the location of the foul may trump the location of the in-bounds pass that was never touched in play.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    I would rather take a shot at a 3 then a 1 and 1.
    With 1.7 seconds left and from where we were inbounding? You're kidding, right?



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    There are a few on other threads who posted the same thing as me. If no time went off the clock, then the foul must have occurred before the ball was in play. Therefore, it should go back to the spot where the in-bounds pass was made.

    I actually checked the rulebook on this and couldn't find a clear statement. It seems to me that it would be the same as an in-bounds pass that gets thrown out of bounds without anyone touching it. The ball goes back to where it was thrown in, doesn't it? The only difference here is that the location of the foul may trump the location of the in-bounds pass that was never touched in play.

    Here is the closest rule that I can find:

    Section 5. Out of Bounds, Ball in Play from
    Art. 1. When the ball is out of bounds after any violation as outlined in Rules 9-3
    through 9-14, an official shall place the ball at the disposal of an opponent of the
    player who committed the violation for a throw-in from the same designated spot
    nearest to where the violation occurred.
    Art. 2. When a throw-in provision is violated, the new throw-in shall be from the
    same designated spot as that of the original throw-in.


    http://www.naia.org/fls/27900/1NAIA/...B_OEM_ID=27900

    I'm not sure that a foul before the ball is touched in-bounds fits either provision.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    If Romney would've won the election, Babb would've been shooting free throws.


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