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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    So, the bonus would apply to the next foul, not that one. I wish it weren't so.
    That can't be the correct explanation.

    With 6 fouls you are technically in bonus.

    If this is true, rule needs to be changed.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by cycfan1 View Post
    That can't be the correct explanation.

    With 6 fouls you are technically in bonus.

    If this is true, rule needs to be changed.
    He's wrong. ISU was in the bonus with that foul.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    My question is:

    If we didn't have control of the ball (and the foul happened before Babb even touched the ball), why didn't we get to take it out in front of our bench? The ball never got into play, so shouldn't the change of possession take place at the point where they inbounded the ball rather than where the foul occurred?
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    So, the bonus would apply to the next foul, not that one. I wish it weren't so.

    No. It was the 7th foul, so free throws.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by flander1649 View Post
    ISU got F-ed in Sh!^water just like always Cylburn got killed on his drive at the end of the game and Ejim's block was completely clean.
    Cylburn was not fouled but Ejim did have clean block. They called Ejim on a foul after the block (looked like a horrible call).



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    The foul was called before the ball was touched. If the ball would have been touched they would have ran time off the clock.


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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Here is the difference to basically the vary same play.

    We shot it so our team no longer has possession. Thus that over the back on Clyburn is a "loose ball foul." Free throws are given.

    Because a team had control and passed it to a teammate and Babb is fouled before he touches it then it is considered a "team control foul" Under that classification bonus free throws are not given.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Great defensive play by Babb that got wasted. As I've always understood things, once you are in the bonus, the only foul that doesn't lead to free throws is an offensive foul where the player called for the foul possesses the ball. Would have been justice if we had sunk a miracle three to offset Smart's at the end of the first half.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Is anyone else with me, if Babb goes to the line, I have very little doubt he does not make both of those, we take them to OT and win in OT. We should have won that game, but our post defense hurt us in the end, open layups at the end caused our demise.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Definition of player control foul:

    A player-control foul is an offensive foul committed by the player/team in control of the ball (OSU inbounded). The most often seen PC foul is for what most people call a charge, even though this is not the technically correct term. This type of foul never results in free throws for the offended team, even if he offended team is in the "bonus" or "double bonus."


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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    It's a player control foul on Oklahoma State because they were the "offensive team" on the inbounds. Just looked it up.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    I read through this thread hoping for an explanation, but there isn't one. That foul put us in the bonus. It wasn't a player control foul, because the OSU player wasn't driving with the ball out of control. It was an over the back, just like on a rebound. Unless there is some other explanation, Babb should have been shooting FTs.

    But it shouldn't have even come to that after all the other crappy calls (crazy 4th foul on Melvin, Melvin getting hacked before Forte stole the ball, Mcgee getting shoved before the ball arrived, etc.).



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    If I am correct, the clock stayed at 1.7 seconds. This means the ball wasn't touched and should not have been moved.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    No time was taken off the clock, therefore the foul was deemed to have occurred BEFORE the ball would have been touched.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by jj-cyclones View Post
    Cylburn was not fouled but Ejim did have clean block. They called Ejim on a foul after the block (looked like a horrible call).
    Clean Block and nice flop by Forte, T Boone Pickens $$ buys calls like that.....



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