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    Why no FT's at the end?

    I am confused why Babb wasnt able to shoot FT's at the end of the game. My roommate and I were talking and when somebody fouls someobdy else on an inbounds play, they get to shoot if they are in the bonus. But Babb didnt because he didnt have possession? Still confused about this. If anybody can explain, I would greatly appreciate it.

    Oh well, on to Baylor. Im expecting a crazy atmosphere and a great game.


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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    The refs don't know the rules evidently.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    On the Clyburn foul with no possession there were shots. On the foul against Babb there were none.

    Why?

    OSU was gagging on ref schlong before the game.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    The announcers on TV said it was a player control foul, but I only thought that only applied to an offensive foul?



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by spierceisu View Post
    The announcers on TV said it was a player control foul, but I only thought that only applied to an offensive foul?
    I'm guessing since they had the ball out of bounds, and we never gained possession, it was considered an offensive foul, much like a charge.


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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyfan964 View Post
    I'm guessing since they had the ball out of bounds, and we never gained possession, it was considered an offensive foul, much like a charge.
    But the example of a foul on a rebound would also be a situation where possession was never gained, and you shoot fouls then. I've still heard NOTHING to explain the call.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    My question is:

    If we didn't have control of the ball (and the foul happened before Babb even touched the ball), why didn't we get to take it out in front of our bench? The ball never got into play, so shouldn't the change of possession take place at the point where they inbounded the ball rather than where the foul occurred?



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    A foul is a foul. Stupid rule. Reward the team with free throws regardless



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    My question is:

    If we didn't have control of the ball (and the foul happened before Babb even touched the ball), why didn't we get to take it out in front of our bench? The ball never got into play, so shouldn't the change of possession take place at the point where they inbounded the ball rather than where the foul occurred?
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    The foul was called before the ball was touched. If the ball would have been touched they would have ran time off the clock.


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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    If I am correct, the clock stayed at 1.7 seconds. This means the ball wasn't touched and should not have been moved.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by MIClone View Post
    That only happens when the ball isn't touched. The ball was touched as part of the foul play, so it goes to that spot. But Babb should have been shooting foul shots anyway.
    No time was taken off the clock, therefore the foul was deemed to have occurred BEFORE the ball would have been touched.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    My question is:

    If we didn't have control of the ball (and the foul happened before Babb even touched the ball), why didn't we get to take it out in front of our bench? The ball never got into play, so shouldn't the change of possession take place at the point where they inbounded the ball rather than where the foul occurred?
    No.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllInForISU View Post
    No.
    There are a few on other threads who posted the same thing as me. If no time went off the clock, then the foul must have occurred before the ball was in play. Therefore, it should go back to the spot where the in-bounds pass was made.

    I actually checked the rulebook on this and couldn't find a clear statement. It seems to me that it would be the same as an in-bounds pass that gets thrown out of bounds without anyone touching it. The ball goes back to where it was thrown in, doesn't it? The only difference here is that the location of the foul may trump the location of the in-bounds pass that was never touched in play.



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    Re: Why no FT's at the end?

    Quote Originally Posted by spierceisu View Post
    The announcers on TV said it was a player control foul, but I only thought that only applied to an offensive foul?
    You don't shoot FT on a player control foul. But, at the same time, in order for a player control foul to occur that has to be possession of the ball (I think). ON a team control fould, which is what this should have been, there are no FT either.

    So, the right call by the officials to not let Babb shoot FT, but poor job that they didn't know it in the first place. Poor job by the announcers too calling it player control. Still sucks for us, regardless.



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