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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Nearly 30 years ago, for one. Not much else to say at this point other than his name and number are hanging from the rafters at Hilton.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by VeloClone View Post
    The lack of an NCAA three point line during Jeff's college days probably hurts his image. If there was a three point line he would have had a lot more points
    If every basket he ever made was a three-pointer, his career average would have gone up from 10.67 ppg to 14.82 ppg -- just inside ISU's top 20, and marginally ahead of Jake Sullivan (14.7).



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFine View Post
    Nearly 30 years ago, for one. Not much else to say at this point other than his name and number are hanging from the rafters at Hilton.
    Ugh! Making me feel old.


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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Hornacek was an awesome player to watch.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    someone with a wiki account get a picture of him up there! i don't know how to do it!



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    If every basket he ever made was a three-pointer, his career average would have gone up from 10.67 ppg to 14.82 ppg -- just inside ISU's top 20, and marginally ahead of Jake Sullivan (14.7).
    Scoring tells so little of the Jeff Hornacek story. He was the ultimate play-maker. He was Pete Rose on the basketball court.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    If every basket he ever made was a three-pointer, his career average would have gone up from 10.67 ppg to 14.82 ppg -- just inside ISU's top 20, and marginally ahead of Jake Sullivan (14.7).
    The point isn't just whether the baskets he made were 2's or 3's. The point is that if Johnny had a weapon like Horny out there and he was getting 3 points for his shots, it would have been a weapon that Johnny would have used a lot more. Remember the huge shot against Miami of Ohio in the tournament? It wasn't set up for any other player - it was set up for Jeff because he was such an accurate long range shooter. Having a long range shooter wasn't nearly as valuable of a weapon when it was only worth 2. Why settle for 40% of shots from today's 3 point range when you can get 50% of the 2 point shots when they are all worth 2? When you are getting 40% of those shots and they are worth 3 it changes the math quite a bit.

    Same could be said for Gary Thompson. Dude was lethal but he would have dominated even more if some of his shots were worth 3 and they had even more reason they had to extend the D on him.


    Last edited by VeloClone; 01-28-2013 at 04:41 PM.
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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Scoring tells so little of the Jeff Hornacek story.
    Which is why I already listed all of his assist numbers. That's where he was at his best.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    I don't remember Jeff at ISU and was not even born yet but that does not mean it didn't happen. He played against MJ in the NBA Finals I thought more kids would remember that.


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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by VeloClone View Post
    The lack of an NCAA three point line during Jeff's college days probably hurts his image. If there was a three point line he would have had a lot more points and probably more greatly affected the outcome of more games in a very visable way.
    Yep. He would have been a force. But will still be remembered always for the dagger he nailed against Miami (OH) and Ron Harper? in our first NCAA appearance in a long time.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    I heart Jeff.


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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWarning View Post
    Yep. He would have been a force. But will still be remembered always for the dagger he nailed against Miami (OH) and Ron Harper? in our first NCAA appearance in a long time.
    yeah we hadn't made the ncaa's until the previous year.



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    My vote for all time favorite!!



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    He's my all-time favorite basketball player and his replica jersey was probably the best gift i've ever gotten in 2nd grade...I was a huge Jazz fan until he retired....



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    Re: Why so little love for Jeff ??????

    Quote Originally Posted by ruxCYtable View Post
    Scoring tells so little of the Jeff Hornacek story. He was the ultimate play-maker. He was Pete Rose on the basketball court.
    Whether it was a shot, an assist, a steal, or a rebound Jeff seemed to always bail us out during a tight game at home. The first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Hornacek is high basketball IQ.
    He's the reason I bought a Phoenix Suns keychain. Sorry Kevin Johnson and Tom Chambers.



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