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    Lucious' shot clock management

    As I rewatched the end of the West Virginia game, I noticed that even though WVU came back from an 18 point deficit in the final 9 minutes (they scored 29 points in that span), our offensive effort was not terrible, with a notable exception:

    The possession that had me most worried was our second to last, when we led 67-64 with just under a minute to play. We spent a lot of time in the backcourt, called a timeout, and then wasted almost the entire shot clock until the ball was deflected out of bounds with one second left. We inbounded the ball and had to throw up a prayer, which unlike the Mountaineers' prayers, went unanswered and did not even draw iron, causing a turnover.

    The reason I bring this up is because I feel that Lucious has a tendency to wait too long to develop a play, especially at the end of a half. Most of the time he ends up taking a shot himself, whether he's open or not. This is something we can improve on.

    Does anybody else see this?

    To be fair, Lucious made a nice shot at the end of the first half to put us up 29-26, but this seems like the exception and not the rule. And I will say that Lucious has shown much better decision-making and ball-handling in the past few weeks compared to the beginning of the season.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    There's a reason Clyburn had the ball in the final possession, and not Lucious.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by andymhallman View Post
    As I rewatched the end of the West Virginia game, I noticed that even though WVU came back from an 18 point deficit in the final 9 minutes (they scored 29 points in that span), our offensive effort was not terrible, with a notable exception:

    The possession that had me most worried was our second to last, when we led 67-64 with just under a minute to play. We spent a lot of time in the backcourt, called a timeout, and then wasted almost the entire shot clock until the ball was deflected out of bounds with one second left. We inbounded the ball and had to throw up a prayer, which unlike the Mountaineers' prayers, went unanswered and did not even draw iron, causing a turnover.

    The reason I bring this up is because I feel that Lucious has a tendency to wait too long to develop a play, especially at the end of a half. Most of the time he ends up taking a shot himself, whether he's open or not. This is something we can improve on.

    Does anybody else see this?

    To be fair, Lucious made a nice shot at the end of the first half to put us up 29-26, but this seems like the exception and not the rule. And I will say that Lucious has shown much better decision-making and ball-handling in the past few weeks compared to the beginning of the season.
    So he held the ball a little too long on one play. Lets get the pitchforks.

    He also scored 4 of our last 6 points IIRC, and I thought showed a lot of leadership at the end of the game.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by benjay View Post
    There's a reason Clyburn had the ball in the final possession, and not Lucious.
    He's a foot taller?

    That's pretty much where Fred went with it.


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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    He's a foot taller?

    That's pretty much where Fred went with it.
    Sorry, I have not had a chance to listen to the postgame. I assumed when it happened that Freddy wanted to give Clyburn the ball because of the botched attempt by Lucious.

    eh.. still do think that.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    That possession was not a successful one, but there were hundreds of events that conspired together to put us in a tie game with 12 seconds remaining. KL is a big reason we're 2-1 with a narrow loss on the road to KU. Not gonna jump on his case.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by psychlone99 View Post
    That possession was not a successful one, but there were hundreds of events that conspired together to put us in a tie game with 12 seconds remaining. KL is a big reason we're 2-1 with a narrow loss on the road to KU. Not gonna jump on his case.
    Yeah absolutely. I wasn't trying to pile on, Lucious has been excellent in Big 12 play.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    He's a foot taller?

    That's pretty much where Fred went with it.
    Yeah, and they had a 6-1 guy guarding him most of the game.


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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by andymhallman View Post
    As I rewatched the end of the West Virginia game, I noticed that even though WVU came back from an 18 point deficit in the final 9 minutes (they scored 29 points in that span), our offensive effort was not terrible, with a notable exception:

    The possession that had me most worried was our second to last, when we led 67-64 with just under a minute to play. We spent a lot of time in the backcourt, called a timeout, and then wasted almost the entire shot clock until the ball was deflected out of bounds with one second left. We inbounded the ball and had to throw up a prayer, which unlike the Mountaineers' prayers, went unanswered and did not even draw iron, causing a turnover.

    The reason I bring this up is because I feel that Lucious has a tendency to wait too long to develop a play, especially at the end of a half. Most of the time he ends up taking a shot himself, whether he's open or not. This is something we can improve on.

    Does anybody else see this?

    To be fair, Lucious made a nice shot at the end of the first half to put us up 29-26, but this seems like the exception and not the rule. And I will say that Lucious has shown much better decision-making and ball-handling in the past few weeks compared to the beginning of the season.
    Fred said in his presser the play was designed for Will because he was being guarded by a guy who was 6-1, and they assumed WV would double team him leaving someone open. If you watch the highlights, Tyrus and is behind Will waiting for a pass and Korie was in the corner by the bench for a shot. It had nothing to do with Korie's clock management.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by Three4Cy View Post
    Fred said in his presser the play was designed for Will because he was being guarded by a guy who was 6-1, and they assumed WV would double team him leaving someone open. If you watch the highlights, Tyrus and is behind Will waiting for a pass and Korie was in the corner by the bench for a shot. It had nothing to do with Korie's clock management.
    I think you're talking about the last play where Niang scores and I'm talking about the second to last play.

    And I'm not just complaining about this one play. I think this happened often during the non-conference schedule.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by andymhallman View Post
    As I rewatched the end of the West Virginia game, I noticed that even though WVU came back from an 18 point deficit in the final 9 minutes (they scored 29 points in that span), our offensive effort was not terrible, with a notable exception:

    The possession that had me most worried was our second to last, when we led 67-64 with just under a minute to play. We spent a lot of time in the backcourt, called a timeout, and then wasted almost the entire shot clock until the ball was deflected out of bounds with one second left. We inbounded the ball and had to throw up a prayer, which unlike the Mountaineers' prayers, went unanswered and did not even draw iron, causing a turnover.

    The reason I bring this up is because I feel that Lucious has a tendency to wait too long to develop a play, especially at the end of a half. Most of the time he ends up taking a shot himself, whether he's open or not. This is something we can improve on.

    Does anybody else see this?

    To be fair, Lucious made a nice shot at the end of the first half to put us up 29-26, but this seems like the exception and not the rule. And I will say that Lucious has shown much better decision-making and ball-handling in the past few weeks compared to the beginning of the season.
    Did you watch the possession at the end of the first half?

    A lot of fans usually seem to want the ball handler to start attacking with 10ish seconds remaining. In a half court setting going with 5 or 6 seconds is plenty of time.




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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by andymhallman View Post
    The possession that had me most worried was our second to last, when we led 67-64 with just under a minute to play. We spent a lot of time in the backcourt, called a timeout, and then wasted almost the entire shot clock until the ball was deflected out of bounds with one second left. We inbounded the ball and had to throw up a prayer, which unlike the Mountaineers' prayers, went unanswered and did not even draw iron, causing a turnover.
    You generally want these two things to go together. It was unfortunate to not come away with points, but using the entire shot clock is a goal when leading with under a minute to play.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by andymhallman View Post
    To be fair, Lucious made a nice shot at the end of the first half to put us up 29-26, but this seems like the exception and not the rule. .
    Anyone think Ejim doesn't get enough rebounds? To be fair he had 13, but there was an important play where he didn't get it so he sucks like this thread.



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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Quote Originally Posted by A-town Cy View Post
    Anyone think Ejim doesn't get enough rebounds? To be fair he had 13, but there was an important play where he didn't get it so he sucks like this thread.
    Ejim is so bad that Fred benched him that last part of the game.....


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    Re: Lucious' shot clock management

    Lucious gets a ridiculous amount of criticism from ISU fans. He's been exactly what the Clones needed: a good point guard.



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