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    Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Kansas scored on a rebound from the first free throw of a 2 shot foul for ISU. The Kansas basket as allowed cause rules didn't prevent the score, remembering rules changed to correct this. I am remembering Paul Janssen and maybe Tom O'Neill were 2 of the refs. Or as John Higgens involved?

    Tom O'Neill has been the better of the three for ISU games as I recall. Janssen has been bad, really bad at times. Two yrs ago at Hilton, a fan in the seats right over where ISU and at that time, the refs went in at half, really unloaded on Janssen. So much so that Janssen called for the officer guarding him, to do something about the fan. The officer walked back out to the area by the teams water cooler, did an about face, and walked back to the locker room area , without saying or doing anything to the ISU fan. I suspect he knew why the fan was railing on Janssen, at least that was my reading of what I witnessed but couldn't hear the exchange .


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    O'Neill and Janssen were involved. Higgins was not. Danny Hooker was the third.


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Correct, just looked at the phantom 3 on UTube and could clearly ID Janssen and Oneill


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

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    Correct, just looked at the phantom 3 on UTube and could clearly ID Janssen and Oneill
    Really!? Link please! I need to show people in Kansas that this actually happened.



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    And before your friends say "it was a 13 point game," make sure you let them know that game went into overtime


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    And before your friends say "it was a 13 point game," make sure you let them know that game went into overtime
    Of course. We need another video of Langford's foot 3" over the line on the tying shot.



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Quote Originally Posted by theshadow View Post
    O'Neill and Janssen were involved. Higgins was not. Danny Hooker was the third.

    Maybe it is obvious to the rest of you, but I don't think anyone has explicitly acknowledged the irony of Janssen being a ref last night. That puts him in our two OT losses at KU.


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

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    Announcers were also clueless. Stupid rule because ball should have been DEAD. ISU was not back on defense because they knew that there were two shots.



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Allowing a team team to rebound the first shot of a two-shot free throw (during a dead ball situation!) and score a 3-pointer, and then refuse to correct the error is the most ridiculous example of home cooking that I've ever seen in my many years of watching college basketball.



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsTournament View Post
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    Announcers were also clueless. Stupid rule because ball should have been DEAD. ISU was not back on defense because they knew that there were two shots.


    Indeed, the announcers are clueless. They are just having fun talking about Homan being a shot-blocking machine and about how long the arms of the KU shooter are.

    Here is what gets me: why aren't the coaches all over that while it is happening? Homan is looking around after he misses the first one because he knows something is wrong. Vroman and Homan seem like the ones who bring it to the attention of the refs. Seems like the coaches should have been on the court making a huge scene. Why else have all those grad assistants around? Have them watch the clock operator, foul counts, etc.

    I've heard it explained before that they were following some rule, but I still don't understand. Did it have something to do with the fact that once play resumes after a mistake, they need a dead-ball to stop play? That doesn't make sense because the refs don't even seem to notice the mistake until Vroman brings it to their attention.

    And was there something about not being able to take points off the board once they are posted? Or maybe it couldn't be done once play had resumed? So, if Morgan had called a timeout and gotten things cleared up before Homan's second free throw, could the KU points have been taken off the board?



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    You're right. The coaches should have ran on the court to stop the play. It shouldn't be a penalty because it was a dead ball.

    THANK YOU for posting this thread. My wife and I were talking last night about "that one game a few years back where we got screwed". We were there, sat in the KU student section with a friend who went to KU, and had pop dumped on us, confetti thrown at us (which sticks to the pop), and someone even tried to "trim" my wife's hair with a fingernail clipper. It brings back a lot of great memories down there and now we have an answer about last night! Unfortunately the video is blurry but I think you can see me in the student section near the left side (left as you watch the screen) next to the railing... There were two or three ISU fans across in the upper-deck and we kept waving and shouting to each other the whole game... If you're on here...WOOOOOOOO!!!


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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    And KU fans boo the call. Every TV talking head calls their fans knowledgeable.



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    What I think is the worst about this is the fact that the announcers talk about the call like the refs fixed it, BUT THEY DIDN'T. They still counted the three, but they gave Kansas a technical, which makes no sense



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    Quote Originally Posted by MJ271 View Post
    What I think is the worst about this is the fact that the announcers talk about the call like the refs fixed it, BUT THEY DIDN'T. They still counted the three, but they gave Kansas a technical, which makes no sense

    I recall KU fans trying to justify the "fix" based on some rule (that has been changed since then). Can anybody recall how they do this?



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    Re: Who were the Refs that screwed up the free throw debacle at Kansas yrs back?

    They didnt give Kansas a technical they had Homan shoot his second free throw and since Kansas "scored"it was ISU ball out of bounds at the other end.

    Yes it makes no sense



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